That is one good looking tablet! I wonder if the keyboard is lap-able? I think its a great idea to put the battery in the keyboard cover so it can counter the weight of the tablet more easily!
Looks lovely. I would be really interested to own one of these if I had the money to buy surplus devices at the moment. Trying to see how using it solely vs an iPad would be interesting, 8.1 is clearly the more capable mobile OS but I wonder whether the iPad's superior app store would clinch it regardless. Versus an Android tablet would also be interesting. Maybe it's time for the tech sites to do some really thorough usage comparisons...
[Edit : Also released today: $339 for 6-inch Nokia 1320 [1,2]. Now that does not pinch the pocket at all. ]
That tablet is a beauty. Nokia's industrial design team deserves kudos for putting so many beautiful products on the table. It also has 16 hrs battery life with cover attached. Impressive. Any video of it?
Well the assumption that post-iPad tablets cannot be impressive is ludicrous to me. Nexus 7 is impressive. This tablet in particular: Beautiful and sharp design, cyan color is attractive, it has outlook on the go, and most of all that book cover type of keyboard cover is impressive as seen in the videos. You are allowed to see it as mediocre tablet, but basing it on it being post-iPad is not good. One massive shortcoming is the app situation on Windows platform, which takes the sheen off this tablet.
I'll take your word for it. But you have to be careful with your enthusiasm, because microsoft and satellites are known for their aggressive astroturfing, and you might sound like a paid shill.
Because the date on the account tells you how long somebody's been lurking, or if they had previous accounts.
I have been lurking here since about 2 years before you created your account (see what I did there?), and while comparisons with Reddit may have been misplaced, comparisons with Slashdot look more and more apt to me.
Then you shoud take care to not make your posts look like a blatant astroturf.
What I mean is that you have wasted a whole display worth of real estate that could be used for meaningful conversation, while the data you provided could be accessed by a simple click to a single link, or by executing a simple google query.
This is not your average forum, we aspire to higher standards.
I am not accountable to you. People liked it, they voted it. You do not like the comment and the tablet, hence are throwing blatant allegation of astroturfing. I am just a simple engineer trying to make a living from engineering surfaces. I come on HN because I like some tech, and have used it extensively. But wow you are just throwing allegation that I am being on payroll of either Nokia or MS, just vicious man. I do not need to tone down my language to appease you.
"This is not your average forum, we aspire to higher standards."
higher standards? Like you throwing accusations? Yeah, because you collectively represent HN. There are posters which post high quality content making it a good forum. But making yourself out as a torch-bearer of some sort while on the same time passing caustic remarks.
Just because you guys took a dump on the submit doesn't mean it deserved to be flagged. Seriously, I've never thought of HN as an immature reddit/slashdot-like place before today, and I've been on for much longer than you.
Pity that cooldeals and recoiledsnake don't even bother showing up these days. They had quite a few examples where articles that were favorable (or heck, even non-negative) to Microsoft consistently got flagged off the front page. There's a pretty strong anti-MS voting contingent on here, and they'd call it out every time it happened.
And for that they'd be accused of being, I kid you not, "Microsoft zealots"!
I remember that one of my first interaction on this site was with recoiledsnake in fact, where he pointed towards said anti-MS nature of this site. Today, I have been accused of being a shill 3 times. I totally feel how it must have been for those guys. I can totally accuse them of being apple or google PR people, without any credible evidence, it seems.
Wow, pretentious much? You want his posts catered directly to you so that you don't become suspicious, and you call him out asking him to meet your "higher standards"? You're right, we do aspire to higher standards. I wouldn't say your posts always fit that bill though.
I don't usually post comments like that, but I thought yours deserved it. I've never seen a whole list of specs like that being copy pasted on HN. It just comes off as a desperate attempt to promote a product. The specs were already in the linked article for crying out loud...
You are the one crying out loud here, and massively. Also does this mean, toshio, janezstupar and you are on either Apple or Google's PR team.
The list was not copied in the original comment, I was looking for videos, but could not get a hands-on, hence posted nokia youtube videos and the spec list. I left the computer, and when came back to see it, could not edit the spec list out.
Your comment on content was spot on, but you get douche bag points for accusing someone of being a shill without any kind of evidence. This isn't reddit.
Maybe a strange question: I'm getting very tired of those mood movies because it's not me. I'm more interested in the movies shown on conversations.nokia.com because it's showing what the device can and does.
Now I'm wondering does this kind of mood advertising work? And for what audience does it work?
What exactly is interesting here? I like the LTE, but the screen resolution is below par (granted, it looks good on the 7" Nexus 7!). The industrial design looks nice, but I don't think I'd give it a second glance in 2013. Windows RT is also a pretty big turnoff - I'm underwhelmed by the app selection in the Play store, so stepping into the "3rd place" app store is pretty unthinkable to me.
Slightly off-topic, but: anyone round here know if there's a good reason why are batteries quoted in units of charge (mAh), instead of a unit of energy like Wh or kJ?
Seems like it just makes it hard to compare capacities of batteries of different voltages. A 8000mAh laptop battery sounds like it can only store three times the energy of the (2650mAh) cheap NiMH AA battery I have here, but it can actually store 30x, as the AA battery is 1.2V and assuming the laptop battery is 12V (which it may not be, I don't know).
Yes. Amps = current. That means it can sustain 8A of current for an hour. This can be trivially divided into 4A for 2 hours, 2A for 4 hours, 1A for 8 hours etc.
Also:
1. It's easy to measure electronically and calculate life from.
2. Isn't a derived non-linear figure like a Watt i.e. P=IV and voltage declines over a time on batteries making it a whole shitload of calculus and other nasty stuff.
3. Joules are hard to quantify as they are a measure of energy and not current.
Because you (well, maybe not you, certainly not me, but perhaps some people) should be able to deduce the voltage from chemistry of the battery. So all LiIon LiMnO2 chemistry batteries have 3 V, LiFePO4 chemistry has 3.2 V.
Then you can just multiply the voltage by mAh and you have energy in mWh
They rate them in volts and mAh, because depending on how quickly you take energy out of the battery you can end up with more or less total battery capacity (and while the mAh rating will change as well it won't change as much as the Wh rating).
How does this compare to Surface, and why would anybody buy one of these instead of Surface? With Nokia now owned by Microsoft, does this not mean that Microsoft has released two Windows RT tablets with similar stats?
I assume Microsoft will merge the two products in future?
Difference seems processor, color options, and keyboard usage functionality. I assume MS would develop Lumia line having its own tablets, otherwise it does not make sense to release sole Lumia tablet and then shutter the line down in future, when they did have the choice of not releasing at all.
Microsoft didn't release this and in fact Microsoft can't legally influence Nokia in any way until the sale has been approved by all relevant governments.
Excuse the rant, but I'd buy this tomorrow, if only one thing was fixed:
There was a proper RT version of Office rather than a hacked up desktop version. The desktop version is simply shit on an RT tablet. I tried it. It's horrid. It's slow and fiddly. It's only ok if you have a keyboard attached, know how to use it only on a keyboard and have magnfiying glasses strapped to your face.
The hardware looks awesome, as other Lumia kit is (I own an 820 and rather like it) and Windows 8 is pretty good on a tablet from my experience (despite naysayers) but FGS Microsoft please sort out office.
I looks lovely but I wish a better name was chosen. It reminds me of the Performa 6214 I bought in high school. You couldn't really talk about it since the name was nonsense.
The base unit is a flat tablet that looks essentially like a Lumia phone stretched out to a 10" diagonal.
The keyboard cover is an optional add-on. It seems more useful than most tablet keyboards because it also has an extra battery, bringing the unit's total battery life to 16 hours.
Or, people so thirsty for tablet news will eat up an announcement like this all morning until the folks on the west coast roll out of bed to hold their event.
Granted after that event your tablet announcement gets thoroughly buried, but it's better than releasing it in the 2 weeks after the Apple event when they dominate the tech news.
People walk into BMW dealerships and wrap their heads around the 3 series, the 4 series, the 5, and 7 series etc. Each with their own confusing combinations of models numbers (535xi etc.) And BMW is even making it harder for folks with the new-ish even models (4, and 6 series).
If you hammer it over consumers heads long enough, people will learn your crazy naming schemes. I don't think Nokia has that kind of time.
Nokia's lines have always been segmented like this. See N-series or phones like 1100, 3210, 5610 etc. These tell the affordability and luxury "rating" of the phone. Some 6-7 years back when I was purchasing my phone, I had a budget hence knew which series would be affordable to me. (Albeit I settled on an abomination of a phone like 3250)
Although I concur Apple has the best approach definitely.
Actually, traditionally people have always talked about Nokia phones in terms of numbers. 6300, 3310, 1200, 1208, N95... Sure it's kinda difficult for new comers etc, but i guess at one point Nokia was big enough to have the luxury of everyone knowing their products by numbers. Though, as you point out, they should consider a better nomenclature, especially now that they aren't that prevalent anymore.
While I don't think Engadget is that good anymore, this was still original reporting, and not too far below par for the course for this kind of story. (Compare with the Verge counterpart: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/22/4865306/nokia-lumia-2520-...)
Or perhaps it could just be that we find anything made by microsoft mind-numbingly uninteresting. Just like anything made by SAP, IBM, Oracle, CA and other old-guard tech companies. Seriously, why are there e.g. no SAP employees on HN wondering whether HN is really that anti SAP?
Is "I don't find this article interesting" a good reason to flag? If it got to the front page, people must have found it interesting. It seems like flagging would mean "this article does not belong on HN". I think the announcement of new phones and tablets in new form factors with new apps and an upcoming software update from Nokia would be relevant, moreso than a slightly thinner iPad with the same internals and software as the already released iPhone 5s, which will undoubtedly be filling the front page later today.
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[Video (Nokia ads): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVA4-Adlm7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qppJV4znI4 ]
Full Specifications for the tablet, Nokia 2520:
Operating System: Windows RT 8.1
Networks: GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz; WCDMA: 850, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100MHz; LTE: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13, 17, 20
Speed: LTE: 150 Mbps DL / 50 Mbps UL
Memory: 2GB RAM, 32 GB internal memory, micro SD card support up to 32GB, SkyDrive cloud storage
Display: 10.1” 1080p full HD (1920×1080) AHIPS Capacitive Multi-Touch Display, Gorilla Glass 2
Processor: 2.2GHz Quad Core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800
Primary camera: 6.7MP Auto Focus ZEISS optics with f1.9 aperture; FFC: 2MP HD wide-angle
Size & weight: 267 × 168 × 8.9* mm (*volumetric); 615g
Connectivity: NFC, A-GPS+GLONASS, WLAN 802.11 a/b/g/n, microUSB 3.0, BT 4.0 LE, 3.5mm audio connector
Battery: 8000 mAh
Audio: Stereo front facing speakers
[1] : http://conversations.nokia.com/2013/10/22/standing-tall-the-...
[2] : http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/22/nokia-lumia-1320-hands-on...
I fail to see what is so impressive about it.
See what I did there? I summarized the entire PR exercise in 3 words.
Slashdot beginnings on HN.
I have been lurking here since about 2 years before you created your account (see what I did there?), and while comparisons with Reddit may have been misplaced, comparisons with Slashdot look more and more apt to me.
What I mean is that you have wasted a whole display worth of real estate that could be used for meaningful conversation, while the data you provided could be accessed by a simple click to a single link, or by executing a simple google query.
This is not your average forum, we aspire to higher standards.
"This is not your average forum, we aspire to higher standards."
higher standards? Like you throwing accusations? Yeah, because you collectively represent HN. There are posters which post high quality content making it a good forum. But making yourself out as a torch-bearer of some sort while on the same time passing caustic remarks.
And for that they'd be accused of being, I kid you not, "Microsoft zealots"!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6596311
> I always find it funny when new members of a community assail veterans with accusations of eternal September type of behaviour.
You new people and your eternal September behavior...
The list was not copied in the original comment, I was looking for videos, but could not get a hands-on, hence posted nokia youtube videos and the spec list. I left the computer, and when came back to see it, could not edit the spec list out.
Now I'm wondering does this kind of mood advertising work? And for what audience does it work?
Anyhow, this tablet looks marvelous. Android would be far more to my liking, but it's still great.
Seems like it just makes it hard to compare capacities of batteries of different voltages. A 8000mAh laptop battery sounds like it can only store three times the energy of the (2650mAh) cheap NiMH AA battery I have here, but it can actually store 30x, as the AA battery is 1.2V and assuming the laptop battery is 12V (which it may not be, I don't know).
Also:
1. It's easy to measure electronically and calculate life from.
2. Isn't a derived non-linear figure like a Watt i.e. P=IV and voltage declines over a time on batteries making it a whole shitload of calculus and other nasty stuff.
3. Joules are hard to quantify as they are a measure of energy and not current.
It's measured this way so you can most easily estimate runtime by putting an ammeter in series with the battery.
To get Wh, multiply by voltage. 2.6Ah * 1.2V = 3.1Wh. 8Ah * 4V (one cell is my assumption) = 32Wh.
The battery has 10x the capacity of a NiMH (that's the lower limit, it could have two cells but that seems a bit excessive for such a device).
Other than the battery discussion, Nokia devices running RT are about as interesting as the dirt on my shoes.
Then you can just multiply the voltage by mAh and you have energy in mWh
From personal experience, I've seen that laptop & mobile batteries list watt-hours as well. I'd prefer if that number was advertised instead.
[1]With two LiPo 3.7V 3Ah cells, you can have either 7.4V 3Ah or 3.7V 6Ah.
I assume Microsoft will merge the two products in future?
There's always the tiny possibility that the merger won't be accepted by the Nokia shareholder meeting (which is next week, IIRC).
The reality is, with umpteen-thousand RTs clogging the Microsoft warehouse, that'll be what they try and push.
There was a proper RT version of Office rather than a hacked up desktop version. The desktop version is simply shit on an RT tablet. I tried it. It's horrid. It's slow and fiddly. It's only ok if you have a keyboard attached, know how to use it only on a keyboard and have magnfiying glasses strapped to your face.
The hardware looks awesome, as other Lumia kit is (I own an 820 and rather like it) and Windows 8 is pretty good on a tablet from my experience (despite naysayers) but FGS Microsoft please sort out office.
Oh and please can I have a stylus for OneNote.
The keyboard cover is an optional add-on. It seems more useful than most tablet keyboards because it also has an extra battery, bringing the unit's total battery life to 16 hours.
Granted after that event your tablet announcement gets thoroughly buried, but it's better than releasing it in the 2 weeks after the Apple event when they dominate the tech news.
You can walk into an Apple store and talk about their products more or less like a human being: iPhone, iPad, Mac Book, iMac, iPod, etc.
Can you imagine walking into a hypothetical Nokia store and trying to get your head round the differences between the 1320, 2520, etc.?
If you hammer it over consumers heads long enough, people will learn your crazy naming schemes. I don't think Nokia has that kind of time.
The Lumia 7879 tablet and Lumia 347334 smartphone are different things and 347334 > 7879 does not hold, or make any sense.
Although I concur Apple has the best approach definitely.
Even washing machine manufacturers tend to have some letter prefix to their product codes to distinguish between a washing machine and a toaster.
Samsung Uses "Galaxy" with multiple categories, but they also add "Tab" or "S" to distinguish. Nokia should consider that.
Headup if anyone knows how I can get one with being locked unto those twin devil networks
Disclosure: I work for Microsoft and my wife works for Nokia. So ya, ouch.
I'd go with your other theory (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6591687)