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I'm getting so sick of "sprints" and Trello cards and test-driven-hubris... The Internet is falling apart; economies are going ape-shit everywhere...
The least we can do is preserve this beautiful craft of programming, and have fun with it. Rather that deluding ourselves into believing that we need yet another Search-for-the-Thing-in-our-Company's-Metadata app.
Well, no... I disagree that this is any viable dialect of canines.
Moreover, no cognitive system of canine can corroborate this as a valid dialect of canines. It's English-projection. At best it's mockery of canine dialects.
hate to say this, but I once did something like this for the Pokemon character Pikachu (even though I can't stand Pokemon), and then the South Park character Timmy, and then generalized the two to make a configurable system for characters with one-word vocabularies to be able to program.
I would like to make an addendum to Poe's Law - a formal accepted response / solution to the dilemma.
An extremist point of view should always be taken as sarcasm (or more accurately, as pisstake). Extremism should be derided as facile and ridiculous, but kind of funny - just like sarcasm. It is absurd whether the proponent regards it as such or not and as such should be treated with the sense of humour it deserves.
This is not about truth or absolutes, relativity is just not relevant. It is simply that where the line between sarcastic or extremist points of view is indeterminable, they necessarily tend toward the facile and/or ridiculous - and the correct response in this case is humour.
In regards to your example, the broad assumption that they ever were regarded as such is predicated on the fact that they tend to present their findings before their research. Extreme findings, if they are facile, ridiculous, and also kind of funny, deserve derision in the absence of research to back them. Once the research is presented, the minutiae of proof of cause and effect shifts the relative position of the audience to occupy previously questionable ground.
Wow, I obviously put way too much thought into what was a just stray musing ;)
Derision is an alternative form of extremism. If the target is an extremist, they will use it as an example of their point of view being dismissed and suppressed. If they are being sarcastic, it will rile them into persisting.
Ha, I think I actually disagree with each of your points individually. But it is a persuasive argument, because the idea is always only as good as the outcome.
Derision is not extremism, that is to bastardise the meaning of both words.
If the target is an extremist, I absolutely think their view should be dismissed and suppressed. However making fun of their point of view - particularly in mistaking their argument for obvious trolling/sarcasm - will render it unusable or counter-productive as evidence of suppression.
Not deriding them, just deriding a particular point of view.. and doing so with humour.
See above re: relativity.. plus I would note that the very definition of extremism means it is only relative insofar as it is a long way from everything else, which pretty much rules out edge cases. Allport's Scale was new to me, thanks!
I recall when LOL Cats were actually pretty funny, way back around "I has a flavor". Then people who didn't understand the language [1] overran the Internet with cats that had incredible vocabularies and immaculate grammar (they just didn't know how to spell and were evil).
The only thing that bothers me about Dogescript is that the joke is too forced. The typical Shibe pictures are just "wow", "such X", "very Y", "wow"; when one adds in the "shh", "plz", and "rly", and (even worse) starts crafting a coherent sequential story, it removes the humor from the doge meme.
Things stop being funny over time. There's no reason to be concerned. There will always be a next funny thing, and there's really very little you can do about it.
I'm not concerned. This was my response to the claim that it is "very much in the hacker spirit". I find it neither utile nor humorous. I think compiling it to Javascript is trivial and not worth our attention.
Steve's right, this type of endeavor is the very essence of hacking.
As RMS once wrote, "Hacking included a wide range of activities, from writing software, to practical jokes, to exploring the roofs and tunnels of the MIT campus." (http://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html).
Hiya! I'm the creator of this. I did not expect this to be here (nor did I especially want it to...). If it isn't painfully obvious, this is a joke, so please don't take it too seriously. Thanks!
It's really cute and clever. I sort of wish I thought of it, because I really do enjoy getting little morsels of hacker fame (or infamy) for stuff like this.
Hey dude. I submitted this link.
I'm really sorry if you didn't want it to be here. I just saw the link on Twitter and thought it would be a cool thing to share.
I feel awful now knowing that you didn't want it to be here.
Hey, no problem! Please don't feel bad (makes me feel bad :P). I mostly said that because of knowing how HN can respond to jokes. I'm totally good with it though. Thanks for enlightening HN with doge!
I really want to see a language that does away with even more symbols (like replacing period with "of") - and your use of lulz speak or whatever you want to call it makes the symbol replacements short and accessible.
Hey again! Thanks for the support everyone. Definitely cool when this is about a meme. With everyone's suggestions and contributions, dogescript has improved greatly. I've added documentation to the page. Cheers!
Well, that subreddit is written by fans of supershibe, so someone who isn't into it might not be interested in what they have to say. Google Trends is already a trusted source for many.
This is really funny. I quite enjoyed it. I wouldn't take any serious comments here seriously. Unfortunately the distribution of sense-of-humour in the world is not even. Some get a bigger chunk of it than others.
The next time anyone mentions CoffeeScript to me, I'll send them here. Much better.
My favorite quote, by John Wannamaker, reads just like that. (I learned when reading "How to Make Friends and Influence People")
"I learned thirty years ago that it is foolish to scold. I have enough trouble overcoming my own limitations without fretting over the fact that God has not seen fit to distribute evenly the gift of intelligence."
Elwood P. Dowd: Years ago my mother used to say to me, "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant.
Because /r/shibe's original moderator drove out a large number of subscribers and shut it down temporarily, and they created /r/supershibe in response. Standard internet drama.
Probably because programming languages require a precision that natural languages do not have, so you end up having english words that only mean a certain form of their meaning, and completely broken grammar (and/or near impossible to implement). At which point, you are just confusing people by saying "it is like english" (or X natural language).
Lingo, the scripting language for Macromedia Director, looked almost exactly like that. It was a real pain in the ass as soon as you tried to do anything more advanced than, say, drawing rectangles.
Many, many programming languages have been designed to be English-like.
Unless they are specific to a very narrow domain, they generally don't end up doing that very well, and even the best don't help very much, because you still need to use them more precisely than you'd use a natural language.
The closest thing to an english-like language that is successful is probably SQL.
I meant successful at being English like in use, rather than successful as a language for interacting with computers: I think COBOL is less succesful than SQL at the former, mostly for the reasons that its harder to do when you have a less-specific domain.
Of course, it is subjective, and there is plenty of room for disagreement.
Great, then all you will need is a human to translate your other contexts you're not sharing with the computer via your voice to an actual programming language.
This is some actual code from one of my projects (though written by another contributor):
To transition to monster card gallery:
animate the gallery-transition as a reel animation targeting the transition-container at 8 fps;
wait for main menu input until all animations are complete;
pause for 1000 milliseconds, accepting input;
now the image-ID of the transition-container is the image-ID of the card-container.
Excel compose [
start
show
open file (test-file)
;alerts on
alerts off
;remove worksheet
;close workbook
;goto workbook 1
;go to worksheet #2
;quit
add a new worksheet
;goto cell "B3"
;select rows "1:3"
select "B4"
set value to x
goto cell "B6"
change to "Testing"
select "B7"
set to "=B4 * B5"
select "A5:A9"
change to "=$B$5 * PI()"
set cell 10 2 to 222.22
set 11 2 to 333.33
set cells "C2:C6" to 123
set "D3:E4" "Yeah!"
change "A1" "=B10"
copy "A1:A9" to "B21"
cut "B21:B29" to "A18"
select "A5:A9"
copy
goto cell "C15"
paste
goto cell "D15"
paste values
goto cell "E15"
paste no borders
go to worksheet "Sheet4"
autofilter "A5" on
open file (test-file-2)
copy workbook "pbtest.xls" "A1:C5"
to workbook "test-b.xls" "B2"
goto workbook "test-b.xls"
goto cell "F1"
cur-cell: current column
repeat i 3 [
repeat j 4 [
goto cell j (cur-cell + i - 1)
set to (i * j)
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Many of these internet memes are genius hilarious. People know the good Monty Python bits 40 years on. The good doge pics bust my guts just like that stuff. Will anyone get or remember this in 20 years? Interesting times.
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[ 3.7 ms ] story [ 200 ms ] threadWhy share it? From the comments, I understand that it was shared by someone else, and the original creator didn't intend for it to be put on HN.
Why judge it? That's the question I'm trying to figure out while reading this thread.
Utility is not the end goal of everything.
I'm getting so sick of "sprints" and Trello cards and test-driven-hubris... The Internet is falling apart; economies are going ape-shit everywhere...
The least we can do is preserve this beautiful craft of programming, and have fun with it. Rather that deluding ourselves into believing that we need yet another Search-for-the-Thing-in-our-Company's-Metadata app.
I particularly enjoy the ingenuity of some constructions in there :
The hilarity!Moreover, no cognitive system of canine can corroborate this as a valid dialect of canines. It's English-projection. At best it's mockery of canine dialects.
I really wish I hadn't deleted that program.
And maybe Gladwell-esque light stories suitable for our Powerpoint pitch.
An extremist point of view should always be taken as sarcasm (or more accurately, as pisstake). Extremism should be derided as facile and ridiculous, but kind of funny - just like sarcasm. It is absurd whether the proponent regards it as such or not and as such should be treated with the sense of humour it deserves.
At one point, scientists were 'extremists.'
In regards to your example, the broad assumption that they ever were regarded as such is predicated on the fact that they tend to present their findings before their research. Extreme findings, if they are facile, ridiculous, and also kind of funny, deserve derision in the absence of research to back them. Once the research is presented, the minutiae of proof of cause and effect shifts the relative position of the audience to occupy previously questionable ground.
Wow, I obviously put way too much thought into what was a just stray musing ;)
Derision is not extremism, that is to bastardise the meaning of both words.
If the target is an extremist, I absolutely think their view should be dismissed and suppressed. However making fun of their point of view - particularly in mistaking their argument for obvious trolling/sarcasm - will render it unusable or counter-productive as evidence of suppression.
As to the last point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QrWzsfghA
When reacting to people and teasing/making fun of them or deriding them, keep this in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allport's_Scale
See above re: relativity.. plus I would note that the very definition of extremism means it is only relative insofar as it is a long way from everything else, which pretty much rules out edge cases. Allport's Scale was new to me, thanks!
The only thing that bothers me about Dogescript is that the joke is too forced. The typical Shibe pictures are just "wow", "such X", "very Y", "wow"; when one adds in the "shh", "plz", and "rly", and (even worse) starts crafting a coherent sequential story, it removes the humor from the doge meme.
[1] http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004442.h...
http://cdn.runt-of-the-web.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/...
While I agree with you that this is forced and cancerous, it's pointless to care about it.
As RMS once wrote, "Hacking included a wide range of activities, from writing software, to practical jokes, to exploring the roofs and tunnels of the MIT campus." (http://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html).
Congratulations on getting to number 1, anyway.
I really want to see a language that does away with even more symbols (like replacing period with "of") - and your use of lulz speak or whatever you want to call it makes the symbol replacements short and accessible.
doge script uses words from that doge meme like "wow".
Whoosh over my head.
The next time anyone mentions CoffeeScript to me, I'll send them here. Much better.
"I learned thirty years ago that it is foolish to scold. I have enough trouble overcoming my own limitations without fretting over the fact that God has not seen fit to distribute evenly the gift of intelligence."
* http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge
* http://reddit.com/r/shibe
* http://www.reddit.com/r/supershibe
This would be fun for prototyping. I could just speak to my computer and have it translate my plain english into a working program :)
Unless they are specific to a very narrow domain, they generally don't end up doing that very well, and even the best don't help very much, because you still need to use them more precisely than you'd use a natural language.
The closest thing to an english-like language that is successful is probably SQL.
Of course, it is subjective, and there is plenty of room for disagreement.
For eg. a cron scheduler Rebol dialect:
ref: http://softinnov.org/rebol/scheduler.shtmlAnd here's an example of an Excel Rebol dialect:
ref: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1240 | http://www.robertmuench.ch/development/projects/excel/dialec...Not as elegant as Dogescript obviously