Ask HN: Where can I find a software job that helps society?

103 points by scottalpert ↗ HN
I've tried many different things in the corporate world and entrepreneurship.

I've enjoyed it, but I'm pretty jaded by the usual stuff. A job with social impact--something that makes someone's life better--would be the right thing for me now.

Any thoughts on convenient ways to find these? Some sort of board or listing?

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It sounds like you need to focus your job-hunting efforts on charitable organisations. Phone those orgs and ask to speak with the people in charge of software development.

In the meantime you could volunteer as a programmer - it's a niche that is growing rapidly.

http://socialcoder.org (UK based but international)

Disclosure: I run it

Take a look at escapethecity.org.

It'd not software-specific, but they've got lot of "escape corporate life" jobs (with a focus on the UK).

The usual job boards have a lot of good stuff using the right search terms like 'social impact'.
My life would be better if someone built some kind of revenue-per-advertisement optimization system.

I'm just saying.

That's called google adsense
Wait, what exactly would you need? I've been working for about a year now on an application which determines optimal (i.e. profit/revenue maximizing) advertising keyword bid values. It's nearly finished now! Is that something you could make use of?
I work for a public safety agency in Southern California and we have a medium size IT organization within it we have a small developer core that help design and build applications. These applications are used daily to save people's lives. It does not pay much but at the end of the day you go home knowing that the work you did helped saved someone's life. Not sure where you live but if you are interested, I can point you in the direction of the listings.
Does any of this get open sourced for other departments to use?
Yeah, almost all of it is shared with other departments for free if others are interested. For the most part lot of it is internal to an organization and the business practices and technology differ from agency to agency and as a result lot of it does not implement well. But lots is shared.
That's awesome. Thanks for the response.
http://www.google.com/about/jobs/

Now, before you down vote me consider they have been instrumental in making knowledge accessible that generally just couldn't be found. They're likely to be on the leading of eliminating most traffic deaths with their self driving cars, and they're providing free Internet to the world with Loon.

Big and successful companies across the industry are doing great things and having amazing social impacts.

Yes, been there, done that. I'm all in favor. But now, I want some of those warm fuzzies....
So I take it you're aware of the concept of buying good feelings, and true positive impact separately? http://lesswrong.com/lw/6z/purchase_fuzzies_and_utilons_sepa...
Ah, and here I was looking for an example of LessWrong being neoliberal in outlook!

You can't presume that the exploited-away surplus-value or negative externalities from your high-paying-donate-to-charity job actually exceed the good you're doing by donating to charity with the proceeds of your work. Warm fuzzies are, at the very least, a reasonable guide to doing work that's relatively sure to be relatively purer good.

This isn't a job, but if you follow #hack4good on twitter or geeklist's hack4good feed (https://geekli.st/#hack4good ), there are some cool projects going on around social good. Most recently there was a hackathon around the typhoon that hit the Philippines.
I've been involved in volunteer projects. Ideally, I'd like to be able to do this sort of thing all day long.
There's my http://meaningful-jobs.fiveyearitch.com (so long as you are in the US).

We've got jobs in medical research, green energy, and others.

Looks good!

Jobs that help humanity should be touting it directly -- a major selling point.

I'll see what good stuff I find there.

Nice selection of "meaningful jobs." But the listings are US only (though the other features have international support). When will you expand the "meaningful jobs" to the UK?
scottalpert, you might consider another part of that site, http://open-source.fiveyearitch.com

I'd say that writing open source is another kind of positive social impact. You can do that in your spare time, but if you can do it on the job, all the better.

Interesting. You should build out your offerings in jobs that help in Third World Development. There's a lot of good work to be done there. But the listings, as is, look good already.
You can't. Go for a more traditional job instead. Eg: finance or law.
Hey, here on HN we never say "You can't."

I've done the finance thing, and it's got its good side. But now, I want to see how I can help more directly. And yes, it's possible.

Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
>Hey, here on HN we never say "You can't."

We hackers are sustained by WILLPOWER, even when mocked as reckless and crazy! If there's a wall in our way, we smash it down! If there isn't a path, we carve one ourselves!

(Mandatory)

Don't know how to find jobs like this in general, but I'd suggest checking out Nextdoor.com
If you are creating products that people are willing to pay money for, then most likely you are being a huge help to society.
EWOP applied to economics.

There's this really popular show called Breaking Bad that revolves around the main characters' heroic efforts to do this.

yeah, you could be making zero day exploits and selling them to blackhats, deadly weapons for use in invading third world countries, financial products to help corporations avoidpayin tax. the possibilities are endless and all for the best in the best of all possible worlds!
This is so true. The problem with charities is that so much money needs to be raised to pay for the people that manage the people that raise money. Then the people that spend the money raised expect to be treated like heroes. Plus charities don't pay tax so it is all a bit silly.

Compare with getting into ecommerce and working with some small businesses that don't yet sell online. For example, suppose you team up with a business in the Himalayas that sells genuine Tibetan Monkey Stones to passing tourists that just so happen to be newly wed. Put their business online so that people all over the world can buy traditional Tibetan Monkey Stones for friends getting married. Get the orders in, make people happy on their special day, help some business get more than passing trade, potentially to grow and take on new employees, everyone is a winner. No inane fundraisers needed.

http://www.amplify.com/careers (disclaimer: I work here) - we make educational apps for kids
Any world-wide REMOTE engineering positions? Or maybe H1B and relocation sponsoring?
We do have a handful of remote engineers and QA folks - typically, they're employees who started on-site and then moved elsewhere, and they do visit the office fairly regularly (with frequency depending on distance) - but it is something the company is open to, though I think we prefer to hire people who can work on-site. Also, anecdotal evidence, as I don't know much about our hiring policies, I think one of my teammates is on an H1B and our legal dept has helped him navigate that.
I don't know where specifically to look but these organizations are doing cool (and positive) things with tech:

Raising political awareness and transparency - http://sunlightfoundation.com/ - https://www.govtrack.us/ - https://www.popvox.com/

Defending rights in the information age - http://www.fightforthefuture.org/ - https://www.eff.org/

Alternative fundraising: helping the little guy raise money - http://www.indiegogo.com/ - https://www.wepay.com/

Facilitating online activism campaigns - https://www.change.org/ - http://front.moveon.org/ - https://secure.avaaz.org/en/

If you are interested in getting your hands dirty around the world, you might checkout Engineers without Borders[1] or the Peace Corps[2], or one of many similar non-profit organizations that employ skilled people to help others around the world. You might even volunteer with the Red Cross to help victims of the typhoon in the Philippines.

On the less philanthropic end of things, there are a host of organizations solving problems in the biomedical world. From hospitals to biotech companies, there are many possibilities. I've found working in this space incredibly fulfilling, especially given that I've had a chance to see patient cases where we can make a difference.

[1] http://www.ewb-usa.org [2] http://www.peacecorps.gov

Volunteering's good. I do it. But ya gotta earn a living somehow.

And yes, biomed is a good space to do well while doing good.

http://unos.org/ - primary mission is to maintain organ transplant lists.

You won't get rich, but you'll have money left over after paying your bills.

Vision statement

To promote long, healthy and productive lives for persons with organ failure by promoting maximized organ supply, effective and safe care, and equitable organ allocation and access to transplantation.

Mission statement

To advance organ availability and transplantation by uniting and supporting its communities for the benefit of patients through education, technology and policy development.

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A few companies with a social impact who I know who are looking for talented devs. Please ping me (naysawn at artsumo . com) if you'd like to be put in touch.

Actively Learn (activelylearn.com) Moving Worlds (movingworlds.org) Vittana (vittana.org)

One place is you can likely find software focussed on helping non-profits be more effective.
Pretty sure each answer reveals a bit about each of our value functions (and what we read on-line). Here goes:

ProPublica http://www.propublica.org/about/jobs

Maplight http://maplight.org/content/jobs-at-maplight

Sunlight Foundation http://sunlightfoundation.com/jobs/

Rootstrikers http://www.rootstrikers.org/

resource.org https://public.resource.org/

Code for America http://codeforamerica.org/

Engineers Without Borders http://www.ewb-usa.org/

EFF https://www.eff.org/about/opportunities/jobs

Nexleaf Analytics http://nexleaf.org/contact-us

Thanks! That's a good list. Some are non-profits looking for volunteers, some are non-profits or for-profits looking for employees.

But I'm wondering if there is some sort of job listing or board that brings together all the salaried jobs (sorry, gotta eat), that help humanity directly in some way.

Yes. http://reliefweb.int/jobs

Edit: You'll most definitely want to avoid the big organisations. Also, right now you could join about any NGO and get sent to the Philippine, small NGOs usually work as meritocracy. And networking is key in this field.

I don't know how many tech related job listings they have, but you could look at http://www.idealist.org/.

This is their mission statement:

"Idealist connects people, organizations, and resources to help build a world where all people can live free and dignified lives.

Idealist is independent of any government, political ideology, or religious creed. Our work is guided by the common desire of our members and supporters to find practical solutions to social and environmental problems, in a spirit of generosity and mutual respect."

Have you questioned yourself, why so many people try to help you to help other people? =) There is hope in humanity, aside from politics, there are human beings who all want each other to help each other. Embettering the world. I wish you best of luck. Hope to hear back from your experience in a a Blog or on HN.
Add to that list:

Telecoms Sans Frontieres http://tsfi.org

I'd never heard of these guys. Telecomix does similar things, but with more activism and politics involved.
Wanna join me? I want to remove as many cars off the road as possible. I hate traffic and I hate public transit. I want to crowdsource carpooling.

After wrapping up other projects I want to begin work on "Carpoolians.com". It'll allow anyone to enter their morning & evening commutes to work and the site will match them up with others around them who are along their route and have the same schedule so they can carpool together.

Sounds dangerous? So is cleaning the gutters and walking under coconut trees but people still do it. In fact Carpoolians is loosely based on Washington D.C.'s Slug lines (hitch a ride with strangers so you can both use the HOV lanes and not be late for work). http://www.slug-lines.com/Slugging/About_slugging.asp Hundreds of thousands have hitched rides with strangers with no oversight what-so-ever and there haven't been any muggings or homicides. And this is in Washing D.C. (double the national crime rate).

Users can enter their pick up time, general locations, return time, weather they're looking for a driver or a passenger or either, and which days of the week they need carpool services. The site will match them up from a list of potential drivers or passengers and they can make a decision based on price and their gut feeling. Trips are paid in cash peer to peer. But the site will keep an evidence trail of who's riding with whom. Members can certify themselves so they have a "clean background" aka no criminal history icon next to their picture.

Because it's peer to peer so you don't have to worry about taxi cab regulations like Uber does, but we also don't have revenue other than government and city grants. There's plenty of other startups like ridejoy.com doing transportation but they just do 1 trip. Carpoolians will focus exclusively on commutes (re-occuring trips) which make up the bulk of traffic.

It's not twitter or facebook but you can feel good knowing you can:

- Reduce emissions which lead to asthema and lung desease (people living near highways & busy roads have increased risk of both including death!).

- Reduced traffic accidents and saved lives.

- Improve productivity and save time helping the economy.

- Reduce pedestrian hits and deaths (2007-2012 over 5,700 pedestrians were hit in Orlando Florida alone.)

- Help low income people get to work without having to wait in the rain for buses.

- Helped people save money, wear & tear on their car.

- Help clear more parking spots!

- reduce government waste spent on driving empty buses back and forth (buses get about 6 miles per gallon) My mother works as a bus operator. Believe me, there is a LOT of waste. Public Transit can be an extremely ineffective, expensive, and inefficient method to transport people. Especially outside of dense cities like San Fran, Chicago, and New York.

If 4 people sign up and use Carpoolians that's 2 cars off the road each rush hour. If 150 people sign up and use the service that's about 70 cars off the road during morning and evening rush hour. It adds up very easily. http://www.howwedrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/cars-bu... and makes a HUGE difference in communities.

My contact info can be found in my HN profile. As you can tell I've got a few loose ends to tie up with some other projects that I'm finishing up.

Consider just getting the highest-paying job you can and then giving as much as you can afford to the most effective charities you can find.

http://80000hours.org/ http://80000hours.org/earning-to-give http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/ http://www.givewell.org/ http://home.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/

This makes sense if you believe that the organizations you support are already optimized to turn money into impact. It is often the case with young organizations that bringing exceptional talent to the team is more important than getting an incremental dollar.
Although this makes practical sense, maybe OP is more motivated to work for companies that make society better versus large corporations that pay a lot.
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Find a nice high-paying job and as quickly as possible ensure that you:

- have as much private insurance as you need

- are debt-free

- can provide for yourself & your family upon retirement

Being financially independent is the greatest gift you can give to those who depend upon you, & to the rest of the society in which you live.