Ask HN: I have yet to do the one thing I wish before I die
I've made it to 41 years old. I am a software engineer, and I'm so-so at it. I self-studied my way to a C++ programming job after working my way from network admin to web developer to programmer to software engineer since 1999. I'm not even all that great at math. But I failed my first programming course back in 1985, but I am now a well-paid professional. I know if I do a math program full time and work really hard, I can at least get to "good".
My one true joy is solving problems and I even enjoy figuring out proofs. I have taken enough math courses to know I thoroughly enjoy the subject. But there are no evening programs anywhere near my home to study math. There are no part-time programs. I would have to quit my job and find a way to finance myself through a proper math program.
I am willing to give up my current lifestyle and live in poverty to pursue this goal.
My question is, why shouldn't I do it? What lies at the other end of the goal? Am I crazy? Have any of you done such a thing? It feels like I am throwing my life to the wind. But if I don’t do it, I will regret it the rest of my life. Advice appreciated.
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[ 2.5 ms ] story [ 79.1 ms ] threadMoney, beyond subsistence, isn't really correlated with increased happiness, as numerous studies have shown. Just make sure you always have a reasonable level of health insurance coverage. Otherwise, I can't think of any good reason not to do what you want.
At the very least, if you find you really don't enjoy it and that it isn't worth giving up two or three or four more years of your life to schooling, you'll put that nagging question of "should I..." to rest, and it'll only cost you a few grand and one semester. I find that having those kinds of questions nagging at my mind is far more detrimental to my emotional well-being than the actual outcomes.
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The best reason I can think of NOT to do it is that you'll be doing a few interesting courses compared to the interesting ones.
I did a bachelor's degree in math and a master's degree right after (Number Theory, yay !). In all the undergrad years, the most interesting courses were the introductory courses to "Real Analysis" and "Group/Ring Theory". "Complex Analysis" was pretty awesome too, but not as eye-opening as the two previous ones.
The program had a lot of padding. I had to take introductory courses to computer science. The data structure class was also an eye-opening experience, but the 5 other mandatory CS courses were boring.
After doing all the math stuff, I want to study artificial intelligence so I went to some other place as a non-classified student. I studied full-time there, took 5 courses each term, but got no diploma for that year. What happened after that is not relevant to the story. The point is, I took a lot of very interesting courses because I wasn't limited by what some committee decided should be the school curriculum for an undergrad degree in math. If you don't need the diploma, you don't have to follow the department rules. You can always register for specific courses and take those. I had a 55 year old marine officer registered in my Real Analysis class. He was a pretty fun guy, but he had some problems following the material. He was doing a better job than most undergrads, though.
An about online lessons, people underestimate the value that you're getting by being able to dialog with the professor during class. It's not just about being motivated by being forced to do the exercises, it's about being able to ask your algebra prof "why on Earth would I want to diagonalize a matrix !?" and getting a good answer to that.
There are certain key insights to be had while learning math and it's very helpful to be able to check with a prof who knows the material well. Some of the theory in mathematics in presented backwards. If you have hindsight, you know what they're trying to achieve and you can see why it makes sense to start where the book starts. If don't know the destination, it's harder to follow the proof when they don't seem to be going in any direction.
I agree about online. I tried it but I know it will be better if I have direct contact with a teacher in a classroom.
1) to study math 2) a degree in math
I understand #1. Why #2?
That being said, I can understand how at University you will have other great minds to throw ideas around with, and that can be truly invaluable.
I agree. I want to add, though, that even this can often be done without bothering with the official program and degree requirements.
I'm a Math and Computer Science major and I love it.
Do you have another bachelor's degree? If so, you might be able to get credit towards the masters (though perhaps credits are moot if the degree is carefully structured) when taking the undergrad math classes.
However I should add that there are some really first-rate distance learning programmes (in particular by Canadian and Australian universities, where the population density is low and there is a high demand for such things, but also Open University in the UK and I am sure US equivalents I am not aware of). These are not "degrees by mail", they are genuine courses by quality universities, with classes and lecturers and credits and so on.
Unless you are specifically attracted by the idea of being on a campus (and bear in mind, at your age it's not going to be the same as for the youngsters), you might want to see if any of them meet your needs and try multi-tasking for a while. If your employer values you, they might even agree to cut back your hours to give you more study time.
I took a look at Open University and they still don't have a full program for US-based students.
I am 29, married, no kids. I finished my undergrad in CS when I was 22. I worked as a systems software developer until last year when I quit my job and went for Masters in Statistics. I have 2 more courses left to take to get the degree.
I am no fan of academia, but I came back to school because I think it was the only way to completely immerse myself into what I wanted to learn. It obviously cost me over 1 year of pay I would have had otherwise plus the tuition fee. But it is totally damn worth it. Plus it gave me more time to work on my side project.
You could save a bundle of money this way and then go to the 4 year school with only 2 years left.
* admittedly, it wasn't a big hassle, since I was 18 and had a choice between continuing a half-decent job and going to uni. Uni, as the accepted path for people my age, wasn't exactly a hard choice. ;)
Because of all topics/areas of study, I've found math to be the most difficult to self-study. I've made some progress on my own, but having a professor/teacher and marked stepping stones in a program is best for me. I'm definitely an autodidact, but I know my limitations.
What is my motivation?
The times my mind is fully engaged and I've been able to make mental leaps are when I'm working on interesting problems.
I have taken a few distance learning math courses at an accredited university and I found myself very engaged and learned a lot. But I found the format lacking: for difficult subjects I am going to need a real connection to encourage me past difficult spots.
Two days out of the week I am dedicating to my self-education (for which I have pursued over the last four years with much fun).
It's an investment, a big one. I only work 40-50 hours a week to maintain a 1k p/month apartment; when I could be putting those 40-50 hours a week to the startup ideas I have, programming projects (building an Erlang backed triple store), self-education (math, rhetoric, logic, etc...), and DIY projects.
In the end, doing those things that I love and enjoy will bring monetary compensation greater than the job I work at. Since I will be Urban Camping it, my lifestyle couldn't really get 'worse'. Only better.
Do it! Do it! It's like jumping off that 30 foot cliff at the lake - scary to make yourself do it, but, push yourself off the edge and it's one hell of a fun ride.
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