Instead of paying trolls, monetizing trolls might be a good idea. You could have people buy karma, buy mod rights, buy out other people's mod rights, etc.
Of course posting and downvoting would have a karma cost.
- this assumes that there would flood of users on this site and a chunk of them will actually pay for it. Will you use HN if there is a fee? Instead, why not just write an algorithm to limit spam Or a 'report spam' button?
Because of reddit's management policies and ownership by mainstream media. Not to mention the total control of Bitcoin-related forum threads there by anointed moderators who are also pump and dump propaganda masters.
Correct, spin-off site operators need to be trusted not to be P&D moles. However, mystery odds beat certain odds of P&D message control (as seen in Reddit).
Except creating something that looks like HN does not automatically attract the same crowd as HN. There are plenty of clean, meme-free, well managed Reddits. This new site could just as well turn into /r/bitcoin.
Also, anything bitcoin related is going to turn into a "circle-jerk". That's the point isn't it? They exist to educate, market, hype-up, and encourage everyone to use BitCoin. No thanks.
The two are, of course, motivated by the same plea: for HN to be only for discourse about technology/hacking/building/entrepreneur-ing itself, and to leave the discussion of the politics surrounding it to somewhere else.
I mean, we all want to discuss techpolitik sometimes... but generally not at the same time we're reading about new tech.
HN might be well-served doing something like MetaFilter's "blue/grey" split, but instead of just a content/meta division, a "hacks/sociopolitical-implications-of-hacks" division. HN is already a community, and it'd be nice if the account names and karma stayed synchronized.
Until someone does you can use the following HNSearch queries: [1], [2] and [3] (roughly best to wrost). Note that you'll get HN apps along with HN clones.
It's not really "ripping off" anything given that the structure and css are included with the Arc distro which a lot of these sites appear to be using.
well, to be fair, if this is any indication of how deeply integrated markup, data and code are in an Arc application, making any kind of changes to the rendered document would be potentially horribly painful: https://github.com/wting/hackernews/blob/master/html.arc
(sorry... I'm sure people think this is awesome because zomg Lisp but in any other language it would be derided as "spaghetti code")
I do wonder if there's such a thing as a web framework in a Lisp, Arc or what have you, with templating and a url router and all that. Or if that's even possible. Or if the Lisp community would recoil in horror at the very thought.
I mean I know (as far as I know) this was pg's pet project and it's taken off like nothing i've written ever has, but I can't see it selling a blub like me on the language. Nothing makes me want to touch a Lisp less than seeing it.
To be honest, there is a need for something much more filtered than bitcointalk.org. That used to be /r/bitcoin, but it really sucks now.
My question for the coinspotting people: How are you going to maintain high quality? If you don't have any plan, it will probably be filled with crap and eventually die.
Ok, can we stop now? They reason I prefer HN instead of say Reddit is precisely because all the news are in one place. The new trend "Hacker News for X" basically means hey guys let's make Reddit, without all the good stuff.
This is an interesting debate. During the last weeks I've been working in a concept like this, but is not ready yet.
I'm a big fan of Hacker News, and I'm trying to create something that isn't an exact copy of HN, so if someone is interested feel free to sign up to the "The Currency" mailing list in http://thecurrency.io/ or send me an e-mail to hi@thecurrency.io. I count to have some news in the next weeks.
PS: and I also appreciate to have some feedback about the landing page: brand, value proposition, etc.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 110 ms ] thread* add an API (apps, mobile browsing)
* integrate tipping (upvote = tip)
* add signup fee to limit spam
Of course posting and downvoting would have a karma cost.
- this assumes that there would flood of users on this site and a chunk of them will actually pay for it. Will you use HN if there is a fee? Instead, why not just write an algorithm to limit spam Or a 'report spam' button?
Also, anything bitcoin related is going to turn into a "circle-jerk". That's the point isn't it? They exist to educate, market, hype-up, and encourage everyone to use BitCoin. No thanks.
It's like we're approaching some sort of binary tree data structure where the leaves are HN clones with their own indiosyncratic topic configurations.
I mean, we all want to discuss techpolitik sometimes... but generally not at the same time we're reading about new tech.
HN might be well-served doing something like MetaFilter's "blue/grey" split, but instead of just a content/meta division, a "hacks/sociopolitical-implications-of-hacks" division. HN is already a community, and it'd be nice if the account names and karma stayed synchronized.
But it's join-by-approval only and there's nothing there.
[1] https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=%22hac...
[2] https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=show+%...
[3] https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=%22sho...
Edit: [2] finds this 'Show HN: Hacker News for "Hacker News for 'X'"': https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5436841.
Edit 2: Improved the search queries.
Seems like there should be at least a little shame with these Hacker News for X sites.
(sorry... I'm sure people think this is awesome because zomg Lisp but in any other language it would be derided as "spaghetti code")
So, what we're saying is these guys are merely using the open source Arc webapp that HN is using and changing a few styles?
If so, that's actually not dishonorable and more like just starting a niche community with forum software.
And, I have been educated.
I mean I know (as far as I know) this was pg's pet project and it's taken off like nothing i've written ever has, but I can't see it selling a blub like me on the language. Nothing makes me want to touch a Lisp less than seeing it.
My question for the coinspotting people: How are you going to maintain high quality? If you don't have any plan, it will probably be filled with crap and eventually die.
New trend? This has been happening continuously for about 5 years now.
I'm just amazed people keep upvoting it, despite the fact these sites always die.
making sites like this is kind of equivalent to news.ycombinator.com/r/bitcoin
I do look forward to keeping an eye on it though. I hope it takes off. Thanks for sharing.
Although it doesn't have quite as much traction as yours :P
I'm a big fan of Hacker News, and I'm trying to create something that isn't an exact copy of HN, so if someone is interested feel free to sign up to the "The Currency" mailing list in http://thecurrency.io/ or send me an e-mail to hi@thecurrency.io. I count to have some news in the next weeks.
PS: and I also appreciate to have some feedback about the landing page: brand, value proposition, etc.
Thanks.