Poll: Do you donate to charity?

51 points by jonhmchan ↗ HN
Out of curiosity after the new Gates letter was published (http://annualletter.gatesfoundation.org/?cid=bg_fb_po0_012103/#section=home)

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I think it's a fair guess that many members of the HN community are well off. As I encounter more and more developers, entrepreneurs, and others who visit this site regularly, I find that the question of whether one should feel obligated to give to charity becomes more relevant.

Thoughts?

I don't think I'm the run of the mill HN user, but I'm an undergrad in biology.

Still give to charity.

You shouldn't feel obliged to give to charity, but you definitely should give to charity
Why shouldn't someone feel obliged to give to charity?
There are financial donations and service donations. The latter can be much more effective. A really effective donation is spending one Saturday a month helping to fix computer problems at a non-profit of your choice. We also used to create refurbished computers for them out of donations from folks with excess computers.
What Gates mentions in that article was brought up by many in the past; e.g. "Dead Aid: Why Aid Is Not Working and How There is Another Way for Africa"[1].

Personally I prefer to donate to small micro-funding campaigns or lean, local NGOs. In case of disaster relief I still might donate to Red Cross though.

One of the services which I recently started using and really enjoy the way it works is One Today[2] by Google.

All in all, it's always helpful to look at the numbers[3] to make sure that your donations are not used to rent fancy offices in downtown London or NYC.

[1]: http://www.dambisamoyo.com/books-and-publications/book/dead-...

[2]: http://www.google.com/onetoday/

[3]: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary...

Edit: Formatting, grammar.

> article.

remember, it was not an "article", but an advertisement.

That's subjective.
an article hardly has only one point of view and does not throw quizzes after each pair of paragraphs to enforce the Indoctrination.
Yes and No.

The rule is very simple: Never through a proxy.

examples, good will, bill&melinda, are proxy. your money will just disappear and make fat bankers fatter.

wikipedia, software projects (go openBSD!), working in a soup kitchen.... no proxy. Give!

Yeah... OpenBSD is _way_ more transparent than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation...
uh... that was exactly my point.

openbds, wikipedia = no proxy, hence YES

red cross, bill&mel, etc, = heavily proxied, hence NO

I have a goal to donate at least 10% of what I earn to charity. The form varies -- sometimes writing a check to an organization, sometimes handing out cash or 'gifts' to the actual people who need them.

I prefer to try and donate locally if possible. Yes, there are a lot of global opportunities to help, but I prefer trying to make a small difference where I live.

I actually get a great deal of joy from giving money/stuff away.

That's basically Catholic social teaching right there. Try to donate at least 10% of your income, more if you can afford it (known in Catholic theology as solidarity), and preferentially donate to local causes (known in Catholic theology as subsidiarity).
Yes, but my answer may also depend on how you define 'charity'. One might define as giving to those who ask of you , without any expectation of repayment (in other words, out of sheer good will).

If that is the definition, then yes, I do give to charity. I often give to my local education foundation (yearly, in fact). I have donated to the Red Cross, and I have also given spare change to bums on the streets of NY.

I have no idea what is done with this money, nor do I care. I give because they seem to need it more than I do, and I hope they do something constructive with it, and helps them in some way. Does this mean I am 'charitable'? Or just a poor investor? (I suspect the latter, and I suspect that you would probably agree if you looked at my stock portfolio)

Cash donations to causes I care about. I volunteer at an animal shelter and help staff fundraisers & outreach when needed. And, I maintain & host the web site for another animal shelter.
The response bias on the poll is going to be overwhelming. Still, its an interesting discussion.
I'm probably a 1%-er, given how much my wife and I earn. I don't give to charity.

Not because I don't believe I should, but I still don't feel like I'm at the stage where we can afford to, given how expensive life in the Bay Area is. We live well within our means (2 cheap cars, no cable tv, eat-in most days of the week, ...), but the idea of having to pay for a ridiculous mortgage to live in a safe area with good schools, pay for a nanny to take care of our kids because we work so many hours, having to save for our retirement, saving for our kids' educations scares the hell out of me, and puts a freeze on any extraneous spending of money. I feel like we are one dot-com-bust away from total financial disaster.

Once we have a more stable financial picture in the next 10 years or so, I definitely would like to donate my money, and maybe more importantly, my time, but until then, I think I will abstain from donating.

Is your combined family income over 445k? That's how much the 1% make (2013). http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/17/d...
Not to get into specifics, but like I said, I'm probably a 1%-er.
> Once we have a more stable financial picture in the next 10 years or so

Dream on. You'll never donate. How pathetic. Who do you expect is able to give except Gates and Soros?

Have you considered moving to Europe? Better schools (AFAIK), mostly, better work-life balance, safer (less guns), better social security (e.g. pension).
I don’t think it solves the problem. From what I’ve seen so far, for an engineer job paid $100k/year in the US, you’ll get only €40k/year in France (~$50k/year), and some things are more expensive.
How about working to change America? In theory, it is a democracy, so if what you say is true, people should be able to change it.

50 million on food stamps in "the richest country", while "poorer" countries fare much better - you should have some voters here. The only problem - you need gazillions to make it to the TV screens so that you end up being electable. There goes your democracy.

I can relate to your point about income being relative to circumstances.

I'm lucky to have a very good salary, at least for a young guy in one of his first jobs, who doesn't have many financial obligations.

Until about a month ago, I felt very comfortable with my finances and, on paper, would definitely be able to donate to nonprofits. But I recently had a medical emergency that cost thousands (even with good insurance).

Things will work out fine, but the situation has completely reshaped my financial situation and ability to give.

Yes, I lived through the dot-com bust where I honestly thought my livelihood was disappearing. It was eye-opening and probably the basis of my beliefs on requiring absolute financial stability. Friends of mine were out of work for 2 years, and had to move several times until they found a permanent work in Texas and SoCal.

As well, the 2009 financial crisis had me scared as well, but I was a lot more financially prepared for that.

Now that we have kids, the equation changed once again, and my requirements for financial stability have changed even further.

Don't you have some monthly discretionary income? When I was making about $35/hour (and living in the Bay Area), I sometimes donated half of each of my paycheck. To be frank, sometimes I'm embarrassed by how much I make. Not that I'm not exceptionally good at what I do - I am good at what I do - I just don't know why I get paid so much while others around the world have to suffer. It is out duty, while we are alive, to reduce our own suffering and the suffering of others. And sometimes, the two are not mutually exclusive.
"I still don't feel like I'm at the stage where we can afford to" -- just... wow.

It sounds you may be lacking perspective. I highly recommend visiting the poorest places of your own city, much less the poorer countries of the world. You might be surprised at the effect it will have on you; I know it does me every time.

I don't feel I lack perspective. I'm well aware of how blessed we are relative to other people in the world or even in my immediate area. I just feel like my time to donate is later, when I'm financially more comfortable, rather than now. Is there a reason why you feel I should be donating now rather than later?
My reason would be that donating makes you feel richer. It's not about the amount but making a habit of feeling like you have at least some resources to help other people.

You say you don't donate because you don't feel rich, but maybe you don't feel rich precisely because you don't donate.

If you don't feel rich, you're probably doing all kinds of other things to sabotage your financial success that are more than canceling out the cost of a little charity here and there.

This doesn't seem logical to me, sorry.
Sounds like you're giving yourself a choice between donating nothing and donating a substantial amount. Why not donate a little here and there? I'm just a poor grad student, but my wife and I fast for two meals each month and donate what we would have spent on food for those meals (usually estimated as a couple times more than we would actually spend on the food) to charity. Is this a huge amount of money? Not from us individually, but if everyone did this it would be a considerable amount (I get $30 billion per year for the U.S. alone). Just because you can't make a huge difference individually doesn't mean you can't be part of something meaningful.
I didn't think about it that way, but now that you sum it up, I think this is relatively accurate.

Like I said, I'm not against donating money whatsoever, and I definitely have plans to donate in the future. Besides donating more of my income later on, some of my more ambitious plans are to take on foster children, and give them access to the good schools in my area once my children have grown a bit older.

Is there a particular reason why people feel that I should be donating immediately, given I have pretty specific donation plans in the future?

> Is there a particular reason why people feel that I should be donating immediately, given I have pretty specific donation plans in the future?

Yeah. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

To build habits?

My bank has free bill pay, so my wife and I have an automatic check sent out every month to a local all-volunteer charity that does very worthwhile work. We never see that money and we budget around the income we have left over. Whenever I peek at my bank statements and see those debits, I'm reminded of what we're doing.

Even a small amount, say $50/month, is a great start. This also forces you to find a worthwhile cause now, and to attach yourself to and actively re-evaluate that cause on an ongoing basis. It becomes a part of your life instead of your future.

All that said, thanks for the honest discussion. This stuff is important.

Agreed, I give occasionally when I am feeling generous and regularly to certain charities. But I also demand a certain value from the charities I donate to, I chastise any charity that sends me paper mailings because they are wasting my money and not heeding my wishes.

As to the OP's posting about waiting vs donating currently. Remember there is no time like the present and perhaps it needs to be thought of like loosing weight, you can always put it off but a little of what is good for you each day is sustaining.

Plus, loosing a small percentage of your income probably won't make you any richer, but it might make someone else's life much better. A little money can save someone's life, can the same be said for what is 'waiting' in your pocket?

It's good to have plans for big charitable actions, but small actions can make a difference too. Even if you give only 100$ or 50$ per year (and 100$ is close to a rounding error on your yearly income), it can still go a long way for some charities. Charities in general need money all the time, and their work is easier if they can rely on a steady flow rather than big sporadic gifts (which require them to invest part of the money they get into fundraising - that's also why small monthly donations are better).

It's also super easy to help, you just need to donate a small amount of cash. You don't have to invest any of your time or to think and plan deeply about it. The advantage of small donations over large donations is that you don't have the same emotional attachment to how well spent your donation is gonna be. (Just investigate briefly which organizations support causes which you care about and look into how well-managed their funds are - usually most of these organizations are pretty transparent, and consistently managed over the years. So you can pick a few favorites and give to them blindly afterwards.)

One big advantage of numerous small donations is also that you can contribute to many causes you are attached to without having to "choose one". As far as I'm concerned, I give to food banks, emergency relief organizations, human & digital rights associations, and environmental protection associations, because I find all these causes to be important.

I know you're going to get (and have already gotten) flak for your response, but I appreciate your honesty. It definitely sounds like you're trying to be responsible financially and cost of living is extremely high in the Bay Area for sure (as I've experienced myself).

Like others have mentioned though, it's very easy to get in the mindset of "When I have $x, I'll be able to give". Financial security and piece of mind for your family is obviously very important, but generally, getting to a point where you can give is more about a mindset than actual numbers. If you don't feel you have enough now to give, it's unlikely like you ever will. Not everyone can have Bill Gates money :).

I recently was in a class that taught economic discipleship at my church that worked on transforming both mind and heart to be responsible financially. This means not only giving more, but also being responsible with budgeting (accountability for own finances), giving responsibly (to responsible charities), and spending happily (being grateful for one's own wealth). One "homework" we did was to start by cutting some of the excess in our life to save money. These were very simple things like cutting out a latte a week, eating in more, driving less, etc. The actual amount itself may not have been significant to start, but it keeps you very conscientious of where money leaks, and how that money could benefit others. We then researched charities to find ones doing the most impactful work and gave some of that money we saved. We also gave a larger contribution over a longer term by designating different percentages of our salaries/bonuses as not our own, but for others.

These little steps help make giving and being aware of the need elsewhere in the world a daily part of your life rather than something that seems like a distant dream or something you do before the end of the tax year. I am by no means some giving expert, but I've been working on these very things myself with my family and hope it can help make a dent on the poverty and inequities in the world. Gates's letter gives us great hope and motivation that our efforts today and not tomorrow can and will have enormous implications for the well-being of the world's population.

> pay for a nanny

Are you serious, or are you joking?

You are basically a 1% and you can't even give anything to charity.

It's your choice like all 1% but a least own the fact you are selfish.

A trivial amount, like $200 last year.

I give to charities that seem to be cost efficient, like those in givewell.com

Indirectly. I don't directly donate to charity, but I do purchase Humble Bundles and similar things that donate a percentage to charity.
I never set out specifically to donate, but every year I end up giving to pit bull rescues, local animal shelters, and Oxfam.
Yes, and I ask for people to donate to charity for in lieu of Christmas, Birthday and other gift giving events rather than giving me a gift.

My current favourite charity is freetheslaves.net

Edit: obligatory reminder: online polls are meaningless. pg please drop this feature. End edit.

Not charity as such but I loan money on Vittana. I believe they are actually making a difference and I think the little bit of money I have in their system can make more difference over time than a straight donation.

Also, any time a friend or a coworker is collecting money for a cause I pitch in. This has less to do with my belief in the particular charities, and more with my belief in my friends and coworkers.

At least make it so you can only select 1 option (I realize there are _some_ polls that are better with multi answer)
OF COURSE!

Donating to charity has been painful sometimes.. In some case I believe my donation was eaten up by greedy man-in-the-middle handler and that sucks. Example: donate 5 euro using your phone and find out the phone carrier charges 12% for the service! :O

My last donation/charity: 50000 DOGES to the Jamaican Bobsled team! Easy, secure and without any compromise - crypto ftw \0/

I have not, and will not donate anything to charity.

I much rather invest the time, money, and resources, into avenues where I can measure the impact and determine what a successful ROI is.

Question as someone who doesn't donate yet but would like to once it's financially feasible: what are some good charities to donate to?
Personally I love Kiva, "Kiva is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that allows people to lend money via the Internet to low-income / underserved entrepreneurs and students in 70 countries." http://kiva.org
This is really cool, thanks for introducing it!
http://changefol.io is a site that I use to set up micro-donations that's based off my daily spending, e.g., donate $0.05 for every $1 I spend at the gas pump to Sierra Club; $0.10 for every $1 I spend at the grocery store to WWF (World Wild Life Fund).
The truth and opportunity is that donating to some charities creates disproportionately more good and well being in the world than other charities, so this is a very important question. http://www.givewell.org/ is one charity evaluator that tries to answer this with in-depth analyses. I recommend them!
My wife and I give to http://www.worldvision.org/ (one of the partners listed in the Gates Letter). They've been doing incredible work for over 60 years in both development and aid.
15€ every month to Amnesty International, ever since I first got a job (2.5 years ago). However, my income has increased since, so I'm considering giving more, but I want to choose the organization with more care and consideration (i.e. less money for bureaucracy, more for the actual aid).
Yes. I don't have friends or family, so I donate the amount I probably would have spent on gifts every Xmas. I donated US$250 to GiveDirectly (direct cash grants to Africa) this season.
I regularly donate to the EFF, their cause is the most important to me at the moment.
About half an hour ago, somebody came to my door collecting money for a legitimate veteran's group, and I gave them a small donation. It's -35 out, and somebody is volunteering their time to go door to door for a charity. My large donations are more carefully chosen and usually done at the end of the year -- this year we did them at about 11:30 on New Year's Eve...
Not sure if this is true in your case/where you live, but here in Europe, the vast majority of door-to-door-canvassers are actually employees hired either by the charity or an agency that works for the charity.
Expenditure expands to meet the funds available.

With that in mind, I've operated a tithe for over 15 years now. If I give before the funds are available to me I have always adjusted accordingly and never felt like I was burdened or put out by donating.

When I've tried giving what I have left at the end of the month (rather than immediately after receiving income), I find I can't afford it. Then I make excuses about how it's hard to afford it.

Give early, give when you're earning little, give a % and let the amount increase with your earnings.

What I actually donate has dropped significantly, because I moved from being employed to founding a company and my earnings collapsed. But it remains a similar % as always.

The original inspiration for this was speaking to some co-workers many years ago who are Muslim, and their sharing the fact that all Muslims give a tithe to charity and most target the most impoverished and hard-up people rather than a religious cause. I was quite moved by that and took up the practice. In some ways I think of it as just an income tax that I can target towards things I believe in: homeless charities, cycling causes, computers and education for those without access to either.

Keeping all our money to ourselves, not only having enough to keep us warm and our stomachs stuffed, but actually being able to spend on a lot of luxury, e.g. most of the tech gimmicks around, while other people are literally starving is obviously inhumane.

However, donating to "charities" is just not gonna do it. I'm not talking about details like "don't give 'em fish, give 'em a fishing rod".

Rather, considering that we, at a minimum the so-called "West", have been and are still collectively robbing other countries and regions blind, all that we individuals are able to give back is way less than that. Just have a look at Indonesia now and in the last couple of decades, or check what most African countries export vs. what they import to see it is still ongoing. Lately, at least most of South America is finally getting out of the morass. But not due to charities from the West, rather due to their standing up against Western capitalist interest.

So after understanding that we - as a society, and everyone living in it benefits from society - are not really philantrophic by giving a little back having taken a lot.

Our time and money needs to go where we think we can change this system. A big task, but just giving to some charity is not gonna cut it.

My wife and I give to different charities. I'm a strong supporter of advancing education so you'll find me giving the most to my alma mater and the wikipedia foundation. For her, it's charities like UNICEF which have a very low operational budget and do tons of good and local charities such as animal shelters. We generally split our donation budget in half and distributed that way.
I've been experimenting with this lately. Specifically, I've been comparing my thoughts on money vs. time donations.

I ran a charity:water campaign for my birthday last month and donated a third of my goal personally. I am amid a 6-week experiment of volunteering for 2 hours every week at a local shelter. Between money and time, I am able to see my impact more with my time.

However, economically the question does become raised of whether the opportunity cost of volunteering for a fairly basic job makes it more reasonable to work for an extra hour and donate that cash for the shelter to hire somebody on my behalf. It may sound heartless, but donation ROI is something worth considering. That being said, I can see the impact of my efforts while volunteering, which is rewarding and makes it a sustainable habit.

I'm also amid some estate planning. Upon death, I am planning on donation of both my assets and my body[1] to charity.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_donation