I think so too. It also works both ways. For those lucky enough to work on a mutually agreed Open Source 'pet project' they will have a good idea as to whether they really like the atmosphere and if the challenges available at Stripe are going to suit them.
Stripe does a good job about staying top of mind for devs by doing things like this. When I think of a great company to work for, Stripe and Github are usually near the top.
That's a really good point. I always reference them as a company that seems great, despite never having used their service or known anybody who has worked there. They have really great developer PR which, given their market, is also just really great PR.
I wish more companies and hacker spaces would launch programs like this. With so many companies relying on open source, giving projects a little bit of stability is crucial.
The no-strings attached is also a huge deal. Versus being employed, this program lets people work on something that they are passionate about without the risk of the company assigning them to a new project that they aren't interested in.
If you're an open source developer that needs space to work on their project in Phoenix, you can come to heatsync labs (a hackerspace) and work on it every day you want to for free.
That is very cool! I live in Sedona, about 90 miles north of Mesa. Maybe I will drop by when my wife and I are in Phoenix shopping. I will check your calendar first. I get that it runs on volunteer effort, but who pays the rent?
We pay dues (they're not required, but they do come with some benefits. For example: in order to get 24/7 access, you have to be paying at least $50/mo in dues).
That's fantastic! I'm sure you're already connected to Skysong. The ASU W.P. Carey school of business has a new head of the entrepreneur program (I think it used to be called Spark). Sidnee Peck took over the program. She'd probably be a great person to meet to get ASU students and alums to check out the space. Let me know if you want an intro.
I'm a programmer that does open source and teaches classes in his free time. I live in Austin, but all the coworking spaces here charge more money than I'm comfortable paying, would somebody be willing to sponsor me or offer a reduced-rate?
I'm also in Austin and have been hanging out at Center61 (http://www.center61.com/). It's a pretty nice space for social entrepreneurs. Their definition of social entrepreneur is flexible and I bet your open source work would qualify. At $25/mon it's pretty affordable too.
I read it is as: Stripe is organising a retreat for its developers where they can work on Open Source—imagining that it would give them the time to contribute (more) to the Open Source software they already use at Stripe.
I'm interested to know where ideas like this originate within the company. Outreach like this is great for their brand within the dev world, though this may be more altruistic than CTF (semi-recruitment tool). There's no question that both initiatives are clever enough to make one wonder how they come to life internally. Love the idea(s)!
We have an internal mailing list called "Crazy Ideas". No idea is too crazy.
Greg emailed the list two weeks ago with a proposal for the open-source retreat. The reaction internally was quite positive. He polled open-source maintainers externally to see whether this was something they'd be interested in. The reaction externally was quite positive too.
And that's how you do it, well done Stripe! Glad to know that the money they received from me through their API use is being well used and having a positive effect :-)
You're welcome to apply together. We're looking to maximize impact, and e.g. bringing together a pair who normally work together remotely could be a good fit.
Hopefully not. The heartbleed debacle is going to see that project showered with money and corporate aid. We need to see projects that have absolutely no support but are critical (a lot of the GNU utils are good examples). nginx could probably use some of this goodwill, as can core language compilers, and frameworks like Qt. Albeit Qt is probably a bad example, because you have to sign copyright over to Digia. KDE5 is supposed to be very library portable, it seems like a good place to put Qt extensions businesses are uncomfortable turning over to Digia.
I think Nginx is good with http://nginx.com/ and their Nginx Plus + Support Contracts model.
I'd like to see OpenSSH on this list simply because it is probably as widely used as OpenSSL and I don't think it has better funding...I could be wrong tho.
OpenSSH originates from the OpenBSD developers. While the OpenBSD foundation could always use more money, they are no where near as bad off as the OpenSSL team was/is.
Wow, this is the exact idea I have been thinking about!
For successful companies like Stripe, the cost of doing this program is negligible. And yet many open-source projects (OpenSSL comes to mind) can really take a huge step forward by having several professional developers working full-time on it for three months. Lots of kudos to Stripe for doing this, and hope to see more companies follow this example!
Required to perform specific labor full-time in designated offices and give talks to other employees in exchange for $7,500 per month and meals in compensation? Sounds like work to me. IANAL, but I think it'd sound like work to immigration officials too.
Not an immigration lawyer but I unfortunately have to care about this stuff w/r/t a non-US nation and have previously had to care about it w/r/t the US on behalf of third parties: even "You talk at our office and we pay you a modest honorarium" requires a B-1 (short-term travel for business purposes to e.g. negotiate a contract) as opposed to e.g. a visa waiver. It is vanishingly unlikely that the duration and scope of this project, which looks an awful lot like "We wish to purchase your professional services for 3 months", would be sustained under the B-1 visa.
Speak to a lawyer prior to relying on the above, etc.
Based on some initial discussions we think that it could be characterized as independent research, but it's a somewhat unusual circumstance so tough to say with certainty. We're happy to work with the selected applicants (if they're from outside the US) and put them in touch with our immigration counsel to figure out what will work.
I'm generalizing here but I would hazard to guess a good majority of OSS project maintainers (myself included) do so in their spare time and have full-time jobs. It's unrealistic to leave a job for a 3 month "retreat", regardless of how great the opportunity is.
I'm not suggesting it won't work, I think it's a fantastic program and I'm rooting for its success. I'm just suggesting you may want to consider remote opportunities (maybe with occasional visits for in-house tech talks) for future iterations which would undoubtedly increase the talent pool and presumably be more effective at delivering your end-goal.
Yep, the retreat in its current form definitely has some constraints. However, we hope that it'll reach a few really awesome maintainers/projects, and also serve as a starting point for future programs in this space.
Yes - the fact that many/most promising OSS projects are built by professionals who would either need to leave their job or take time off from their job makes this a challenge.
Sure, it's not going to work for the majority of OSS developers; but nothing is. It's nice to have different kinds of opportunities available. Some people can do stuff in their free time; some may be more productive with a dedicated sprint. Some people may have the opportunity to do it between jobs; some developers are consultants, and can probably find a way to free their schedule up for a few months if they can justify it with the extra income.
Different companies contribute in different ways. The company I work for funds major features that we need, as well as having support contracts with the primary developers of some of the key software that we use, and we contribute back patches when we find bugs that need fixing. Google does their Summer of Code, in which students can work remotely over their summer break, plus does primary development of a lot of projects like Android and Chrome, and contributes to others like the Linux kernel. Red Hat and Canonical mostly develop open source software directly. The Gnome OPW funds internships for women, over several periods over the course of the year.
So there are lots of opportunities out there, with a lot of different ways to get funding and support. I don't think that each program needs to be all things for all people; it's OK to have particular targeted and focused programs, either on different groups of developers, different projects, different types of time commitment, and so on.
I completely agree with everything you said. I got the impression from the blog post they are looking for people to solve real world problems, and people who are good at that are generally employed (comfortably). I hope the program is successful and they expand it at some point to allow for different types of arrangements.
I have a pretty flexible work schedule, and offers like this would actually encourage me to push to open up some of my day-to-day work. I'll probably try to drum up some support around doing something similar in Boulder too.
This is really great. Kudos to Stripe. I'm curious about what the ideal scenario is at the conclusion of the 3 months? Some options are...
- The project has progressed significantly to the point where the developer can hope to find continued sponsorship at Stripe or elsewhere.
- The project has progressed to the point where it no longer needs the tender loving care of the maintainer full time. Either it got more contributors or has reached a new level of stability.
- The developer joins Stripe (or somewhere else) full time and the project is left better off, but without a full time contributor/maintainer
Any thinking about what the end-game is from the developer's perspective. Either way, it's an incredible opportunity.
Even it is not explicitly mentioned, I wonder if Stripe will let 'whether the applying project can be used somewhere inside Stripe' be one deciding factor, or the project can be totally irrelavant to what Stripe is doing.
It is great seeing YC companies giving back to the community, first teespring and now stripe. I can see it is the future that it is startups pushing forward the technologies and communities, much more than big corps.
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Sounds like an awesome idea - I look forward to seeing which projects get selected.
The no-strings attached is also a huge deal. Versus being employed, this program lets people work on something that they are passionate about without the risk of the company assigning them to a new project that they aren't interested in.
If you're an open source developer that needs space to work on their project in Phoenix, you can come to heatsync labs (a hackerspace) and work on it every day you want to for free.
Check it out here: http://live.heatsynclabs.org/
We can't give you money, though (since we don't have a ton of it; we're a non-profit).
[By the way, this is kindof meant in jest: anybody can come and work on their projects here if they want to, and that has always been the case.]
I can provide Github profile for proof.
I'm going to research this as a possible opportunity within my company.
Thanks for the comment!
A potentially better title is "Stripe offering open-source retreat for select software developers".
I'm very happy to be mistaken!
I guess there's a lesson in that (don't assume your way of reading something is the "right" way).
This version is cool too though.
Greg emailed the list two weeks ago with a proposal for the open-source retreat. The reaction internally was quite positive. He polled open-source maintainers externally to see whether this was something they'd be interested in. The reaction externally was quite positive too.
Greg hammered out the details and shipped it.
I'd like to see OpenSSH on this list simply because it is probably as widely used as OpenSSL and I don't think it has better funding...I could be wrong tho.
For successful companies like Stripe, the cost of doing this program is negligible. And yet many open-source projects (OpenSSL comes to mind) can really take a huge step forward by having several professional developers working full-time on it for three months. Lots of kudos to Stripe for doing this, and hope to see more companies follow this example!
Speak to a lawyer prior to relying on the above, etc.
I'm not suggesting it won't work, I think it's a fantastic program and I'm rooting for its success. I'm just suggesting you may want to consider remote opportunities (maybe with occasional visits for in-house tech talks) for future iterations which would undoubtedly increase the talent pool and presumably be more effective at delivering your end-goal.
Different companies contribute in different ways. The company I work for funds major features that we need, as well as having support contracts with the primary developers of some of the key software that we use, and we contribute back patches when we find bugs that need fixing. Google does their Summer of Code, in which students can work remotely over their summer break, plus does primary development of a lot of projects like Android and Chrome, and contributes to others like the Linux kernel. Red Hat and Canonical mostly develop open source software directly. The Gnome OPW funds internships for women, over several periods over the course of the year.
So there are lots of opportunities out there, with a lot of different ways to get funding and support. I don't think that each program needs to be all things for all people; it's OK to have particular targeted and focused programs, either on different groups of developers, different projects, different types of time commitment, and so on.
- The project has progressed significantly to the point where the developer can hope to find continued sponsorship at Stripe or elsewhere.
- The project has progressed to the point where it no longer needs the tender loving care of the maintainer full time. Either it got more contributors or has reached a new level of stability.
- The developer joins Stripe (or somewhere else) full time and the project is left better off, but without a full time contributor/maintainer
Any thinking about what the end-game is from the developer's perspective. Either way, it's an incredible opportunity.
It is great seeing YC companies giving back to the community, first teespring and now stripe. I can see it is the future that it is startups pushing forward the technologies and communities, much more than big corps.