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Ask HN: Idea Sunday

8 points by f0under ↗ HN
Didn't see one created and found the thread quite valuable, so moving the series along!

From the previous one: "A small HN experiment. Every Sunday, a thread will be started to share product ideas. Why? Because many people have ideas they will simply not have the time to implement, and many need product ideas to work on." -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7616910

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hershel
it has been killed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7693640

krapp
Ironically, killed because it was popular, and popular threads are apparently a sign that the community is jumping the shark.
minimaxir
Popular is not the same as good. (a lesson that the internet learns repeatedly)
krapp
It's not the same as bad, either. It means users are engaged with the site and want to share their ideas, projects and experiences on a regular basis. It should be encouraged. Not killed because it might make the site superficially too much like Reddit.
brudgers
When `dang made his post, my thought was that the activity was harmless and made trying to game Show HN less likely. Thinking about if two weeks later I realize how lame that is as an argument for keeping it.

For better or worse HN is run to meet YC's objectives. YC does not appear to value engagement for the sake of engagement very highly. People can disagree with that, But it remains a fact.

krapp
I would argue that it wasn't so much 'engagement for the sake of engagement', as the content was at least relevant, and more engaging (at least to me) than a repost of whatever Techcrunch published that day. Or another political argument which inevitably devolves into whether capitalism is the problem or anarchy is the solution. Or bikeshedding over languages, or paranoid conspiracies about the American Racist Surveillance Hegemony. Or sexism in tech. Or why if you're not y, then you're x.

Most of the reasons dang put forth as to why he killed those particular threads could be applied to almost every thread on this site - depending entirely on the opinion of whomever happens to be reading them at the time.

Granted, you're right - it's YC's sandbox and they get to set the rules. But reading dang's post I can't help but wonder whether he's confusing diversion for intellectual quality.

brudgers
I too argued "It's not that bad" as a reason for keeping it two weeks ago. On the other hand I was not arguing with you at all today since we are in agreement that it's YC's football and it would be absurd to assume that you would argue that I don't hold the beliefs that I had asserted that I hold.

My opinion regarding what beliefs`dang holds is that the 'Idea Sunday' was consistently earning karma disproportionately to it's contribution to the quality of HN and that this was creating a genre of similar high reward high noise threads [e.g. Screenshot Saturday, Tweet Tuesday etc].

My guess is that he looked at the threads closely before pulling the plug, not only because his post implies it but because it was allowed to run for several weeks before he stepped in and moderated. By the time action was taken a fairly detailed picture of who was looking at and participating in the threads was available.

Is it the call I would have made? I don't know because I'm not charged with that, (though I did flag this thread because of its poor quality) and I haven't seen all the facts.

krapp
Sorry, I wasn't arguing with you, I didn't mean to give that impression.
brudgers
No need to apologize. I know you were just writing what you needed to write...expressing your disagreement with the decision 'dang made. My post was just an excuse to write (and think since writing is thinking) and these are good activities and perhaps you were to some degree even writing simply to get better at writing.

Of course I may be just projecting what I do, and anyway this response is largely driven by my need to think.

Your post fell into the form of argument because that's sort of what the internet trains us to do. It's the path of least resistance when we want an excuse to write another post after the one we are currently writing. It's the primary game of internet fora.

One of the observations of 'dang and PG before him was that a problem which is particularly salient in political threads is people arguing rabidly when they agree...and those 'arguments' turning heated and nasty. In other words the comments devolve to look like the rest of the internet. That's sort of the reason why the Idea thread was problematic: the conversation could have been happening anywhere. There were none of the elements that make HN HN.

And that's just what I used the opportunity provided by the reply button under your post to write because I felt like writing, i.e. I was just indulging my thinking habit...and working to improve my writing in more or less a free writing exercise with writing as the topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_writing

27182818284
I'm glad. It was getting silly. Idea Sunday, then someone tried Something Thursday and so on.
f0under
Ahh...sorry about that..it was quite an interesting read and hope it makes a comeback.