Note: the OP asked about W2 earnings which implies, among other things, that the employer is paying part of your taxes.
I don't do a lot of RoR work but it does come up occasionally. My day job is salary but it works out to about $60 per hour (w2). However, when I do occasional freelance work, I charge $125 per hour - but its 1099 income where I pay all of the taxes, not w2. (Both are remote.)
$8.50/hr may be a lot for where OP lives based on their experience. I would think that OP is not living in the US. Hopefully OP can provide some insight here.
$8.50/hr is a nice amount of money in Hungary for example. If you don't have a finance/compsci degree is way above the average. In compsci, its an average payment for a developer with 2-3 years of experience (no need to pay further tax anyways from this).
Architects, lead devs, PMs earns around 15/hour at best paying companies. If you're a contractor, it could top up around 20 after taxation.
A young person with an average degree (economics for eg.) in an average position is not earning more than 5/hour here...
This kind of raw comparison somewhat useless, since domain knowledge adds up + numerous other contract-specific things. For example, it is not unreasonable to ask $200 a hour in my country for a short gig, however if the contract is longer, usually the billable amount goes lower as well.
Not to hijack this thread, but I'd like to hear more about remote rates of other platform developers as well (php,nodejs,python,.net, etc). A nice comparison matrix would be awesome. Anyone know of a site that specifically compares these rates across the globe?
I could see a matrix like this being a great addon to remote job sites. Those of you who have created a work-remote job site and are competing to weworkremotely, etc... I would think that this would bring you a lot more traffic.
<1099, not w2>Yes. It's just a number. Double it. Do the same with your hourly estimates. I quit my job making ~27 to doing contracting at 40. Then 60, 75, 80 now 85-100 across projects. (3 years rails, 6 years other stuff, USA)
The real kicker is the former company billed me out at $150+ when I had even less experience!
Most of my work has come from referrals, but the original leads came from introducing myself. I suggest finding an international conference -- regardless of industry -- meet those people, trade business cards & regularly stay in contact offering your services.
Do you have a few minutes to chat about your experience? I'm looking to make a similar move and I'd love to hear about what worked and didn't work for you. My contact info is in my profile (I didn't see any in yours). Thanks.
Yes - I am aware of that. Having an experienced team available to help newer coders out dramatically increases their productivity through synergy, pair programming and learning. However -- there's still a huge price discrepancy1
Amazing! This thread makes me consider doing freelance work myself...
Regarding freelance: Where do you advertise your work and do you follow a specific standard when working with clients, or is it mainly your own DIY standard?
I make $45/hr on W2 doing remote work. Rails dev is one of my tertiary responsibilities. I also do Java dev and sysadmin.
When I contract, I try to base my rates around $125/hr, but I'll give a dose of reality to the fantasy that HN always promotes: it's not easy to get people to pay that. I've been more successful getting clients in the $75-80/hr range and found that to be about the top of the tolerable range for most people, and even that is often a stretch.
It really comes down to what type of client you're pitching. Anything mid-medium-sized or less in terms of revenue is going to snicker at decent rates. I've had a couple of bigger clients that were surprised they weren't paying me more than $125/hr, but I stopped freelancing full-time shortly after getting them (one of them successfully courted me over to W2; I probably shouldn't have taken it). I always found it hard to break into the bigger clients that were willing to pay good rates; they usually already have vendors and everyone wants their associate to get a piece of the pie.
Full-time remote, salaried at $85k. (Roughly $40 USD per hour). Company pays market rate wherever employees are. I am located in NYC (so I'm probably a bit under market rate).
5 years experience. 1 job at $120k (w2) and long-term consulting contract with 40 billable weekly hours at $95. Fully remote. For short duration (<1 month,) I bill at $115. Almost purely Rails.
It's rough. about 15 hour days plus a few hours on many weekends. But the idea is to accumulate enough to buy some multi-family real estate. So it's one of those things were you work your ass off to get a benefit. The whole idea of do what other people won't do so you can live like other people don't live.
It's extremely tough, but it's a means to an end. Luckily, since I'm remote, I get to see my kids any moment of the day and a difficult code issue is generally mitigated by taking a five minute break to play with my kids.
w2 = waged.. the employer withholds tax and also pays half of some taxes that you need to pay
1099 = independent contractor.. you get the full amount but you pay taxes end of the year
Yep, same. I freelanced remotely for a number of years, but my last two jobs have been as an employee because a recruiter (or, in the first case, the CTO) got a hold of me and made me an offer I couldn't refuse - which included remote work.
Any recruiter that wants me to work on site gets an automatic no. (I might consider an exception if they had an office within bicycling distance of my house, but that's fairly unlikely.)
52 comments
[ 4.7 ms ] story [ 109 ms ] threadI don't do a lot of RoR work but it does come up occasionally. My day job is salary but it works out to about $60 per hour (w2). However, when I do occasional freelance work, I charge $125 per hour - but its 1099 income where I pay all of the taxes, not w2. (Both are remote.)
Architects, lead devs, PMs earns around 15/hour at best paying companies. If you're a contractor, it could top up around 20 after taxation.
A young person with an average degree (economics for eg.) in an average position is not earning more than 5/hour here...
/throwaway account
I could see a matrix like this being a great addon to remote job sites. Those of you who have created a work-remote job site and are competing to weworkremotely, etc... I would think that this would bring you a lot more traffic.
jus wondering: anyone followed http://doubleyourfreelancing.com/ rules and succeeded?
The real kicker is the former company billed me out at $150+ when I had even less experience!
I haven't used this resource; but there are online communities like http://forum.thefreelancersguild.com/ by the creator of DYFR.
One thing to keep in mind is one of the reasons for doing that is the environment you are in and a certain guarantee about the work provided.
Regarding freelance: Where do you advertise your work and do you follow a specific standard when working with clients, or is it mainly your own DIY standard?
My standard was DIY - I had a short 1-page contract, and I'd ask for 40% up-front for new clients.
When I contract, I try to base my rates around $125/hr, but I'll give a dose of reality to the fantasy that HN always promotes: it's not easy to get people to pay that. I've been more successful getting clients in the $75-80/hr range and found that to be about the top of the tolerable range for most people, and even that is often a stretch.
It really comes down to what type of client you're pitching. Anything mid-medium-sized or less in terms of revenue is going to snicker at decent rates. I've had a couple of bigger clients that were surprised they weren't paying me more than $125/hr, but I stopped freelancing full-time shortly after getting them (one of them successfully courted me over to W2; I probably shouldn't have taken it). I always found it hard to break into the bigger clients that were willing to pay good rates; they usually already have vendors and everyone wants their associate to get a piece of the pie.
Full-time remote, salaried at $85k. (Roughly $40 USD per hour). Company pays market rate wherever employees are. I am located in NYC (so I'm probably a bit under market rate).
It's extremely tough, but it's a means to an end. Luckily, since I'm remote, I get to see my kids any moment of the day and a difficult code issue is generally mitigated by taking a five minute break to play with my kids.
1099 means a contractor, which means you are responsible for those.
There are many other differences, but usually when talking about wage the 7.5% is the big one.
Any recruiter that wants me to work on site gets an automatic no. (I might consider an exception if they had an office within bicycling distance of my house, but that's fairly unlikely.)