For the record: submitting this not to bash Apple but to see what comments this gets as I'm curious for other people's take on it.
E2A: In particular, what's not clear to me is whether Apple set up enough solar to feed energy into the grid part of the time, offsetting their energy use at other times.
For example, is it always corruption for the member of the board for a business to own any company which has dealing with that business?
Theodore F. Craver, Jr is the Chairman, President and CEO of Southern California Edison. He also sits on the California Board of Trustees of The Nature Conservancy. Is it corruption if The Nature Conservancy buys any of its power from Southern California Edison?
"For example, is it always corruption for the member of the board for a business to own any company which has dealing with that business?"
Passing laws that require businesses to buy from your own company is corruption, pure and simple. When the allegations that Bush was involved in oil and using the government to make him richer, the same people that think Gore can do no wrong, screamed about the corruption.
Social media truly shows me the hypocrisy of most people.
I still don't know what you're talking about. What laws? What company? Gore hasn't held public office since 2001. As far as I can tell, his green power/carbon credit ownership/investment didn't start until Generation Investment Management in 2004.
And Apple seems to have done this voluntarily, and not because of some legal requirement.
Hypocrisy isn't corruption. I'm plenty fine to say that he's a hypocrite. Could you explain the corruption?
I'm skeptical of anyone that believes this is black and white.
Lotto proceeds support education - but state budgets are fungible - so if money is taken away from education because of lotto proceeds then lottos are not supporting just education. so the question becomes what would have happened in the absence of the lotto...anyway poor analogy but you get the drift that like most things "its more complicated than that..."
His data about electricity demand and production in Germany is wrong. To say the least. His assumptions are misleading.
He claims that Germany gets 5% of its electricity needs from renewable sources, when it is in fact 26% (I know he focuses on wind and solar, which is another problem I have with this text.)
The graph about electricity production from wind and solar and overall production is misleading. Because he writes about production but shows capacity. Which is very confusing. Also I'm not sure if he understood the statistics from the EEX. I'm not sure I understand them fully.
The comment about that you can't avoid fossil energy when you are connected to the grid is physically true of course. But it is the point for what you are paying. The grid is a lake of energy, and if I pay someone to put the amount of renewable electricity into this lake as I use, fossil energy is not put into this lake.
That is why a market for renewable energy works. There are few companies in German which sell renewable energy to end consumers. I get the same electricity as everyone around me but I pay for something else.
But I agree, those green energy certificates like RECS are utterly pointless. They do not helping.
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 25.2 ms ] threadE2A: In particular, what's not clear to me is whether Apple set up enough solar to feed energy into the grid part of the time, offsetting their energy use at other times.
For example, is it always corruption for the member of the board for a business to own any company which has dealing with that business?
Theodore F. Craver, Jr is the Chairman, President and CEO of Southern California Edison. He also sits on the California Board of Trustees of The Nature Conservancy. Is it corruption if The Nature Conservancy buys any of its power from Southern California Edison?
Passing laws that require businesses to buy from your own company is corruption, pure and simple. When the allegations that Bush was involved in oil and using the government to make him richer, the same people that think Gore can do no wrong, screamed about the corruption.
Social media truly shows me the hypocrisy of most people.
And Apple seems to have done this voluntarily, and not because of some legal requirement.
Hypocrisy isn't corruption. I'm plenty fine to say that he's a hypocrite. Could you explain the corruption?
Lotto proceeds support education - but state budgets are fungible - so if money is taken away from education because of lotto proceeds then lottos are not supporting just education. so the question becomes what would have happened in the absence of the lotto...anyway poor analogy but you get the drift that like most things "its more complicated than that..."
He claims that Germany gets 5% of its electricity needs from renewable sources, when it is in fact 26% (I know he focuses on wind and solar, which is another problem I have with this text.)
The graph about electricity production from wind and solar and overall production is misleading. Because he writes about production but shows capacity. Which is very confusing. Also I'm not sure if he understood the statistics from the EEX. I'm not sure I understand them fully.
The comment about that you can't avoid fossil energy when you are connected to the grid is physically true of course. But it is the point for what you are paying. The grid is a lake of energy, and if I pay someone to put the amount of renewable electricity into this lake as I use, fossil energy is not put into this lake.
That is why a market for renewable energy works. There are few companies in German which sell renewable energy to end consumers. I get the same electricity as everyone around me but I pay for something else.
But I agree, those green energy certificates like RECS are utterly pointless. They do not helping.