hi hari_sem3. Its a totally original design. Its common for most new cyclewear brands to go to the Far East, pick out a factory OEM design, slap on their logo and start selling.
We did it the painful way by old fashioned sketches, 2D pattern design, fitting sessions and by tweaking over 10 dimensions for every size.
We engaged a manufacturer to help us get preferable prices on fabrics (they buy in bulk) and to stitch together each piece to our Bill of Materials and Specifications. Its why it took us 6 months to develop these.
We manufacture in Eastern Europe with help from our Italian manufacturing partner. Each piece is then shipped back to Italy for a final quality inspection before flow out to us in Singapore for distribution.
We don't because we are currently a small company and distribute in South East Asia at the moment.
With scale and a larger US, EU customer base, we will be able to distribute from Italy.
Distribution from within the EU requires a business license, VAT registration and obviously a premises. These cost money and are huge fixed costs that a small firm can't handle right now.
We explored the option of distribution from our manufacturer's facility, but costs go up, because we need to pay fair wages for work done to distribute and handle customers - driving cost up again.
These key decisions are paying off - We now have brought to market (very quickly and with extremely high quality) - a great product at a great price point.
To summarize, we conceptualized RedWhite in late February 2014, started design work in March and launched in August 2014 :). You're hearing about us now thanks to a large Instagram following and us getting more active in forums to reach out to a wide audience. And we totally need your help to reach an even wider audience.
PRICING : SGD210 (Singapore dollars) including shipping and taxes. We have an online store here on our site :)
OEM Challenges : We searched for a manufacturer for MONTHS until we found him in Italy. It made perfect sense from a supply chain perspective because our fabrics and chamois are made in Europe, so keeping manufacturing there is key to keeping costs low. Our Italian manufacturing partners own factories in Eastern Europe and meet our strict policy on quality.
Every RedWhite BibShort is made in Romania and shipped back to Italy for a final quality inspection before sent to us in Singapore. We keep costs low by piggy backing on larger shipments from our manufacturer, keeping our transportation costs and carbon footprint low.
We manufacture in Romania. The fabrics are supplied to us by MITI from Urganano, Italy. The Pad (chamois) is trucked in from our Italian chamois supplier.
Trucking is fast, cheap and with EU carbon regulations - also environmentally friendly. All our suppliers are not more than 4 hours from the central factory - keeping our supply chain tight and efficient.
The central Romanian factory is owned by our Italian manufacturing partner who stitches the fabrics together according to our design files.
The final Bibs are quality inspected in Romania and are trucked to Italy for a final quality inspection before sent to us in Singapore for distribution.
We currently sell online and locally through a network of dealers. While we work to get these sold globally at your local bike shop, the online store will be the way for you to get hold of these.
Every order is packed by one of us (2 founders) and sent to you from Singapore :).
You may want to consider condensing/minifiying your JS/CSS and using a CDN for images. After 10 minutes the website still isn't loaded and there are a huge number of blocking image transfers that are going very very slowly.
12+MB for a landing page is also probably a little on the heavy side of things.
So many cycling brands use .cc domains, not sure who started it. Also the main competitor for this sort of style is probably more along the lines of Castelli/Gore than Rapha. I dig the idea, but the aesthetic types are going to stick with Rapha/SAS/etc.
His page actually wasn't even loading when I attempted to visit it. Just check and yeah you're right. I wonder when somebody is going to come along and match Rapha in everything but price.
Torm was so Rapha-esque they even got in a bit of trouble for it, I believe.
Twin Six and Road Holland also have some combo of minimal/classic and wool jerseys for good prices. The former of which definitely has some crazy stuff as well, but their basics are quite well made.
Vulpine, Cafe Du Cycliste, and a few other euro brands are in the same style and go on sale somewhat more regularly as well.
We've made some tweaks and it should load better now :)
I'd like to reiterate that we aren't competing with any of the big boys. Each brand is unique with a different philosophy and brand voice.
We are focused on making a BibShort for long distance cycling. We want you to come to us, knowing that you will walk away with a product that will help you ride those long base miles in comfort.
Every element in the RedWhite BibShorts has been curated and through through to achieve this end goal.
I couldn't reply on Product Hunt sadly because apparently I need to be recommended by the community.
Your choice in BibShorts is a highly personal one. Perhaps other brands resonate more with your wants and aspirations and tastes.
We are focused on what we do - A BibShort for long distance cycling. Our website has only 1 product that's built from the ground up to enable you to ride that century or that AUDAX in comfort.
That is a personal choice :). Castelli do make great products - undoubtedly.
However, we are a different company. Our niche is - Long Distance BibShorts.
When you come to us, we want you to have absolute confidence that what we give to you is a BibShort that is designed specifically for your long ride. No compromise has been made in achieving this end in the design process.
For example, we don't print on our lycra because its a nylon based fabric that's softer and more luxurious than a printable polyester based version. Comfort reigns king over graphics and that's a choice we made happily to achieve the end goal - long distance comfort.
The chamois isn't one that's used by many other brands. We searched for a non mainstream manufacturer. The chamois is manufactured using a Thermic Moulding process - no one else makes a chamois this way and what you get is a plush, breathable chamois that lasts and doesn't flatten out after long hours.
I didn't ask to be a jerk or anything, I'm just asking the same question that others will.
Castelli and others produce shorts made for professional cyclists, who do long rides too.
You know where I see more room for improvement? Winter cycling gear. There's a huge difference between good stuff and shitty stuff. Example: Milano Sanremo a few years ago when it was snowing, and lots of riders were riding with non-team issue Castelli Gabba jerseys because they're one of the best things going for cold weather racing.
I guess that's not a problem for you in Singapore, but here in Italy, winters can get cold and wet.
I don't know... Italian cycling clothing manufacturers are the best in the world (which is why you source from them), and I'm just not seeing a compelling reason to go with someone else.
You might look at Rapha - they've managed to carve out a niche despite not being from a traditional cycling nation.
No problem at all! I do understand where you are coming from.
We're not denying the quality of Castelli and other brands of course. I myself have ridden on these brands and do enjoy them!
But, we are doing something very different by creating a niche within the apparel industry. And this shows in the choices we make during the design process.
For winter use, I have a somewhat unusual take but that might give you a product that's clearly distinct from competition:
I don't wear knickers or long tights with chamois built in; I almost always use chamois-less tights over regular shorts. (That lets me mix & match rather than having pricy gear that I only use a few months of the year.)
Lately I've been using the liners from MTB shorts which have thinner fabric so the combo is less bulky, but they rarely have very good chamois.
So my suggestion would be to make liner shorts with a very-high-quality chamois that go well under tights or paired with MTB "baggy" outer shorts. Great for epic MTB rides too!
I hear you and understand what you have in mind. I am of opinion that buying tights with a chamois is impractical since you only ever bring them out during deep winter. Anything warmer and its usually BibShorts with leg warmers.
We do have plans to release long winter tights that work well with The Bibs under them! Using some very special fabrics from our friends over at MITI. Keep a look out!
We are a small team of 2 and we handle customers, marketing, product design, web development, graphics, 4 social media sites and a blog with content every week.
Your comments are useful, please keep them coming! We will be working double time to make the site faster and better.
Looks nice and all, but what sets you apart from Rapha/ Castelli/ Assos/ Louis Garneau/ Primal/ all of the other companies that made mid-high range bibs?
Okay, simply put, many brands have offering at multiple price points. Obviously to cater to different budgets, tastes, aspirations, wants etc (its a rather long list).
We are different. We chose to focus on a BibShort specifically for long distance cycling. This is our niche and what the RedWhite brand stands for.
Looks nice. But to chime in with all the other comments, why should I chose your product over the ones I currently buy?
I'm not sure on how custom printing stuff on this kind of fabric works, but I would be really interested in a service that allows me to pick colours. Or perhaps add my name or something to small quantities of bibs (like 1 or 2).
The lycra we use can't be printed on. And that's a good thing!
A printable lycra is polyester based. Ours is nylon. The difference is the key to a lycra that feels luxurious to one that doesn't.
Some tech facts:
Graphics are printed onto stretch fabrics using a process called sublimation printing. The ink based graphics are printed onto a paper, from which they are heat pressed onto the fabric to allow the colors to adhere to the individual fibres within the fabric. This process is only possible with polyester based fabric. Nylon fabrics simply melt when subjected to heat from the sublimation printing process. However, we didn’t want to compromise on our design principle for The Bib and stuck with a nylon based fabric to achieve the superior comfort unattainable when using printable lycra.
Nylon too is a less complex molecule (without the dreaded Benzene ring that's in Polyester). This means that from a chemistry standpoint, its a less rigid polymer, achieving that soft and compliant feel.
I wouldn't say why you should choose us over one of the big brands. That's a personal choice after all! But, i will say that we are a super niche company that's thrown 6 months of time into making a product that works on your 6 hour ride.
Do follow us on Instagram (redwhite_apparel) and see what we do there :)
Congrats on your first startup, but I really recommend you address the issues with your site immediately.
Like others, the top image(s) never loaded for me and I'm on a 50mbps connection.
I also wasn't even aware there was anything below the fold either, since you have such a nice sticky footer!
If I were you I'd just scrap the top section while you get the compressed image decisions made so the products are front and center when users hit the page.
You say that they're designed for incredible fit but how can that be possible when there are only three size variations? People come in more than three sizes, after all. And are these available in women's sizes at all?
We currently offer in only 3 sizes and are releasing larger sizes soon.
There are only 3 size variations given the type of fabric and construction. For example, the size S fits a 165cm tall guy with a size 29 waist and ALSO fits me (177m, 70kg and a size 33 waist). The material is a 220gsm nylon based lycra with 18% elastane.
Its absolutely perfect for fitting a wide range of body sizes and we complemented it with a detailed look at 10 key dimensions which make up the sizes, allowing us to fit 90% of cyclists.
Of course, there will be odd sized person who requires a larger or a small size. We are working very hard on sizing for these types of people and are close to perfecting them. It takes time to gather a variety of people, measure them, make prototypes and test.
Its also very expensive for a small company, so we chose to focus on 3 key sizes for now.
That article's purpose is to introduce customers to our home base. It was in response to many enquiries asking if Singapore was in China - believe it or not!
No, we received absolutely no funding. RedWhite Apparel is entirely self funded by 2 passionate cyclists. Its a significant investment from our savings and I believe with our current focus on customers, quality and our tenacity, we will become as well known as the big guys.
The site claims these bibs are designed for "exceptional fit and performance" but I suspect you will have to provide more justification to persuade people to buy these instead of Rapha/Assos/Capo, the current kings of endurance bibs.
Hi dodders, the RedWhite BibShorts is our take on what an endurance bibshort really means. We focus on 5 key areas to achieve this vision and I hope the detailed writeup below answers all your questions:
1) Chamois
2) End Bib
3) Fabrics
4) Fit
5) Construction
CHAMOIS
The chamois is not from Cytech. Our chamois was selected after a detailed analysis of all offering from the top european chamois manufacturers. We chose a chamois from who we think is the most innovative designer currently. Its a relatively new company that’s using very a very unusual and disruptive manufacturing process. I will explain below.
The chamois’ construction is unique. Typical chamois’ are built in an old fashioned way. A 4mm low density foam with a top layer that contacts the skin is laid down. Next, a 10mm high density foam layer is pasted using a polyurethane celluloid strip. The third layer uses a 2.5mm foam with another polyurethane celluloid strip. The entire construction is then warmed up to 200°C to fuse the layers together. The layers are pre-cut before this into the desired chamois shape. This process stresses the materials and cause hardening and reduction of breathability. Also, with age and use, the layers tends to peel apart as the celuloid strips age.
The chamois we use is manufactured using a more modern process that ensures the resultant chamois is 1 solid, formed piece with maximum breathability and durability.
The chamois’ layers are laid together and the entire fabric layers (called a laminate) is put into a cutting machine which cuts out the chamois’ rough shape. The pre-shaped cutouts are put into a Carving machine which further refines the chamois’ shape and removes all excess material which is recycled. Finally, the cut and carved chamois is put into a shaped mould (with gel inserts) and placed into a Thermic Moulding machine which gently fuses all the layers while shaping the 3D features of the pad without stressing the used materials. This creates a 1 piece, modern chamois thats perfect for:
-repeated use without typcial “chamois fatigue” where the chamois loses its shape after hours in the saddle and ceases to work.
- a long lasting a durable chamois that can be hot washed at 60 deg C.
-A soft breathable chamois with all foams and fabrics unstressed.
END BIB (GRIPPER)
The latest trend is the PGE (printed gripper elastic). Many brands use this instead of the outdated silicone strip. We have experimented with PGEs, but we find that they start stretching and curling after 6 months of use. You need a certain amount of polyester fibre content in the PGE to reduce creep stress (polyester fibres don't stretch and help anchor the elastane fibres to prevent stretch fatigue). We wanted something better and found a material that uses thick polyester and elastane fibres (lycra fibres are finer) with many microdots of silicone on 1 side. Each dot works together to give an even and non tacky grip on the skin, while the lycra base (which we oversized) ensures your skin still breathes and doesn't over constrict your thighs.
This uses the theory of surface area. By using microdots across a wide gripper, you achieve 2 fantastic results:
-Increased surface area between the dots that allow the skin to breathe.
-Increased gripping surface area through the dispersed dots that ensure a “gecko” like grip on the skin. Works well with hairy legs, even better with shaved legs.
FABRICS
We use Italian fabrics from MITI. Again, this is carefully selected. We went through 12 prototypes with various combinations of fabrics before finding the perfect one. The fabric we use for our Bibs is a 220gsm matt black fabric with 20% Lycra POWER (an elastic fibre with compressive qualities) and 80% nylon.
There is a reason for this choice.
When we set out to design The Bib, we wanted to achieve a natural next-to-skin feeling when you wear them. The material should be soft, supple and highly breathable. We also wanted the fabric to have good anti-abrasion qualities. Nylon fibres are superior to ...
I suggest that you put this detail on your website - it's a compelling argument for the product (apologies if it's already there but I couldn't find it if so).
Its been a rather long discussion and I can't thank everyone enough for joining this conversation with us. I'm Yuva, one of the co-founders of RedWhite Apparel.
I hope I've clarified all questions, but please keep them coming! If I don't reply quickly, it means that i'm likely in bed given the massive time difference.
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[ 2.1 ms ] story [ 110 ms ] threadWe did it the painful way by old fashioned sketches, 2D pattern design, fitting sessions and by tweaking over 10 dimensions for every size.
We engaged a manufacturer to help us get preferable prices on fabrics (they buy in bulk) and to stitch together each piece to our Bill of Materials and Specifications. Its why it took us 6 months to develop these.
We manufacture in Eastern Europe with help from our Italian manufacturing partner. Each piece is then shipped back to Italy for a final quality inspection before flow out to us in Singapore for distribution.
We are releasing a series of technical articles on our website, so stay tuned!!
Do read my super large writeup above. It will be condensed and published with lots of images on our site soon.
With scale and a larger US, EU customer base, we will be able to distribute from Italy.
Distribution from within the EU requires a business license, VAT registration and obviously a premises. These cost money and are huge fixed costs that a small firm can't handle right now.
We explored the option of distribution from our manufacturer's facility, but costs go up, because we need to pay fair wages for work done to distribute and handle customers - driving cost up again.
These key decisions are paying off - We now have brought to market (very quickly and with extremely high quality) - a great product at a great price point.
1) this link will help explain why we started on BibShorts : http://www.redwhite.cc/whybibshorts/
To summarize, we conceptualized RedWhite in late February 2014, started design work in March and launched in August 2014 :). You're hearing about us now thanks to a large Instagram following and us getting more active in forums to reach out to a wide audience. And we totally need your help to reach an even wider audience.
PRICING : SGD210 (Singapore dollars) including shipping and taxes. We have an online store here on our site :)
OEM Challenges : We searched for a manufacturer for MONTHS until we found him in Italy. It made perfect sense from a supply chain perspective because our fabrics and chamois are made in Europe, so keeping manufacturing there is key to keeping costs low. Our Italian manufacturing partners own factories in Eastern Europe and meet our strict policy on quality.
Every RedWhite BibShort is made in Romania and shipped back to Italy for a final quality inspection before sent to us in Singapore. We keep costs low by piggy backing on larger shipments from our manufacturer, keeping our transportation costs and carbon footprint low.
Certainly :)
We manufacture in Romania. The fabrics are supplied to us by MITI from Urganano, Italy. The Pad (chamois) is trucked in from our Italian chamois supplier.
Trucking is fast, cheap and with EU carbon regulations - also environmentally friendly. All our suppliers are not more than 4 hours from the central factory - keeping our supply chain tight and efficient.
The central Romanian factory is owned by our Italian manufacturing partner who stitches the fabrics together according to our design files.
The final Bibs are quality inspected in Romania and are trucked to Italy for a final quality inspection before sent to us in Singapore for distribution.
We currently sell online and locally through a network of dealers. While we work to get these sold globally at your local bike shop, the online store will be the way for you to get hold of these.
Every order is packed by one of us (2 founders) and sent to you from Singapore :).
12+MB for a landing page is also probably a little on the heavy side of things.
The online Google PageSpeed Insights tool is a decent place to start:
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=...
Going to "Online Store" was also ~4MB more and 25 seconds...
Haven't tried them, but Torm[1] does this. Sportswool, "classic" styling, a lot cheaper than Rapha.
[1] http://torm.cc/products.html
Twin Six and Road Holland also have some combo of minimal/classic and wool jerseys for good prices. The former of which definitely has some crazy stuff as well, but their basics are quite well made.
Vulpine, Cafe Du Cycliste, and a few other euro brands are in the same style and go on sale somewhat more regularly as well.
We've made some tweaks and it should load better now :)
I'd like to reiterate that we aren't competing with any of the big boys. Each brand is unique with a different philosophy and brand voice.
We are focused on making a BibShort for long distance cycling. We want you to come to us, knowing that you will walk away with a product that will help you ride those long base miles in comfort.
Every element in the RedWhite BibShorts has been curated and through through to achieve this end goal.
I couldn't reply on Product Hunt sadly because apparently I need to be recommended by the community.
Your choice in BibShorts is a highly personal one. Perhaps other brands resonate more with your wants and aspirations and tastes.
We are focused on what we do - A BibShort for long distance cycling. Our website has only 1 product that's built from the ground up to enable you to ride that century or that AUDAX in comfort.
We chose .cc because its synonymous with "cycling club". Its also quickly becoming a common web domain for cycling clothing brands.
No - we are not competing with Rapha. Rapha has a very different and unique value proposition and customer base.
Our niche is - Long Distance BibShorts. When you come to us, we want you to come with the confidence that you will absolutely find a great BibShort.
That is a personal choice :). Castelli do make great products - undoubtedly.
However, we are a different company. Our niche is - Long Distance BibShorts.
When you come to us, we want you to have absolute confidence that what we give to you is a BibShort that is designed specifically for your long ride. No compromise has been made in achieving this end in the design process.
For example, we don't print on our lycra because its a nylon based fabric that's softer and more luxurious than a printable polyester based version. Comfort reigns king over graphics and that's a choice we made happily to achieve the end goal - long distance comfort.
The chamois isn't one that's used by many other brands. We searched for a non mainstream manufacturer. The chamois is manufactured using a Thermic Moulding process - no one else makes a chamois this way and what you get is a plush, breathable chamois that lasts and doesn't flatten out after long hours.
Castelli and others produce shorts made for professional cyclists, who do long rides too.
You know where I see more room for improvement? Winter cycling gear. There's a huge difference between good stuff and shitty stuff. Example: Milano Sanremo a few years ago when it was snowing, and lots of riders were riding with non-team issue Castelli Gabba jerseys because they're one of the best things going for cold weather racing.
I guess that's not a problem for you in Singapore, but here in Italy, winters can get cold and wet.
I don't know... Italian cycling clothing manufacturers are the best in the world (which is why you source from them), and I'm just not seeing a compelling reason to go with someone else.
You might look at Rapha - they've managed to carve out a niche despite not being from a traditional cycling nation.
No problem at all! I do understand where you are coming from.
We're not denying the quality of Castelli and other brands of course. I myself have ridden on these brands and do enjoy them!
But, we are doing something very different by creating a niche within the apparel industry. And this shows in the choices we make during the design process.
We've written up a lovely article for your perusal : http://www.redwhite.cc/bibs-detailed/
Regarding your points about winter gear, rest assured we do have great plans for that. So stay tuned!
I'd also like to get your opinon on a winter bibshort/ tights/ biblongs that you'd like to see on the market. What features would you value?
I don't wear knickers or long tights with chamois built in; I almost always use chamois-less tights over regular shorts. (That lets me mix & match rather than having pricy gear that I only use a few months of the year.)
Lately I've been using the liners from MTB shorts which have thinner fabric so the combo is less bulky, but they rarely have very good chamois.
So my suggestion would be to make liner shorts with a very-high-quality chamois that go well under tights or paired with MTB "baggy" outer shorts. Great for epic MTB rides too!
I hear you and understand what you have in mind. I am of opinion that buying tights with a chamois is impractical since you only ever bring them out during deep winter. Anything warmer and its usually BibShorts with leg warmers.
We do have plans to release long winter tights that work well with The Bibs under them! Using some very special fabrics from our friends over at MITI. Keep a look out!
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We are a small team of 2 and we handle customers, marketing, product design, web development, graphics, 4 social media sites and a blog with content every week.
Your comments are useful, please keep them coming! We will be working double time to make the site faster and better.
Good question and we get asked that ALL the time!
Okay, simply put, many brands have offering at multiple price points. Obviously to cater to different budgets, tastes, aspirations, wants etc (its a rather long list).
We are different. We chose to focus on a BibShort specifically for long distance cycling. This is our niche and what the RedWhite brand stands for.
I'm not sure on how custom printing stuff on this kind of fabric works, but I would be really interested in a service that allows me to pick colours. Or perhaps add my name or something to small quantities of bibs (like 1 or 2).
The lycra we use can't be printed on. And that's a good thing!
A printable lycra is polyester based. Ours is nylon. The difference is the key to a lycra that feels luxurious to one that doesn't.
Some tech facts:
Graphics are printed onto stretch fabrics using a process called sublimation printing. The ink based graphics are printed onto a paper, from which they are heat pressed onto the fabric to allow the colors to adhere to the individual fibres within the fabric. This process is only possible with polyester based fabric. Nylon fabrics simply melt when subjected to heat from the sublimation printing process. However, we didn’t want to compromise on our design principle for The Bib and stuck with a nylon based fabric to achieve the superior comfort unattainable when using printable lycra.
Nylon too is a less complex molecule (without the dreaded Benzene ring that's in Polyester). This means that from a chemistry standpoint, its a less rigid polymer, achieving that soft and compliant feel.
I wouldn't say why you should choose us over one of the big brands. That's a personal choice after all! But, i will say that we are a super niche company that's thrown 6 months of time into making a product that works on your 6 hour ride.
Do follow us on Instagram (redwhite_apparel) and see what we do there :)
We well worldwide through our online store at www.redwhite.cc
The indicated price includes shipping and taxes :)
Like others, the top image(s) never loaded for me and I'm on a 50mbps connection.
I also wasn't even aware there was anything below the fold either, since you have such a nice sticky footer!
If I were you I'd just scrap the top section while you get the compressed image decisions made so the products are front and center when users hit the page.
Feel free to msg me, email's in my profile.
Thanks for indicating content below the fold!
We've made some improvements. Do take a look : www.redwhite.cc
We currently offer in only 3 sizes and are releasing larger sizes soon.
There are only 3 size variations given the type of fabric and construction. For example, the size S fits a 165cm tall guy with a size 29 waist and ALSO fits me (177m, 70kg and a size 33 waist). The material is a 220gsm nylon based lycra with 18% elastane.
Its absolutely perfect for fitting a wide range of body sizes and we complemented it with a detailed look at 10 key dimensions which make up the sizes, allowing us to fit 90% of cyclists.
Of course, there will be odd sized person who requires a larger or a small size. We are working very hard on sizing for these types of people and are close to perfecting them. It takes time to gather a variety of people, measure them, make prototypes and test.
Its also very expensive for a small company, so we chose to focus on 3 key sizes for now.
I am curious what the purpose of the Singapore page is though: http://www.redwhite.cc/singapore/
Were you guys given money by Singapore or something and that was a stipulation?
That article's purpose is to introduce customers to our home base. It was in response to many enquiries asking if Singapore was in China - believe it or not!
No, we received absolutely no funding. RedWhite Apparel is entirely self funded by 2 passionate cyclists. Its a significant investment from our savings and I believe with our current focus on customers, quality and our tenacity, we will become as well known as the big guys.
AFAIK, all the above brands use pads from EIT (http://www.elasticinterface.com/) - are your pads better and if so, why?
1) Chamois 2) End Bib 3) Fabrics 4) Fit 5) Construction
CHAMOIS
The chamois is not from Cytech. Our chamois was selected after a detailed analysis of all offering from the top european chamois manufacturers. We chose a chamois from who we think is the most innovative designer currently. Its a relatively new company that’s using very a very unusual and disruptive manufacturing process. I will explain below.
The chamois’ construction is unique. Typical chamois’ are built in an old fashioned way. A 4mm low density foam with a top layer that contacts the skin is laid down. Next, a 10mm high density foam layer is pasted using a polyurethane celluloid strip. The third layer uses a 2.5mm foam with another polyurethane celluloid strip. The entire construction is then warmed up to 200°C to fuse the layers together. The layers are pre-cut before this into the desired chamois shape. This process stresses the materials and cause hardening and reduction of breathability. Also, with age and use, the layers tends to peel apart as the celuloid strips age.
The chamois we use is manufactured using a more modern process that ensures the resultant chamois is 1 solid, formed piece with maximum breathability and durability.
The chamois’ layers are laid together and the entire fabric layers (called a laminate) is put into a cutting machine which cuts out the chamois’ rough shape. The pre-shaped cutouts are put into a Carving machine which further refines the chamois’ shape and removes all excess material which is recycled. Finally, the cut and carved chamois is put into a shaped mould (with gel inserts) and placed into a Thermic Moulding machine which gently fuses all the layers while shaping the 3D features of the pad without stressing the used materials. This creates a 1 piece, modern chamois thats perfect for:
-repeated use without typcial “chamois fatigue” where the chamois loses its shape after hours in the saddle and ceases to work.
- a long lasting a durable chamois that can be hot washed at 60 deg C.
-A soft breathable chamois with all foams and fabrics unstressed.
END BIB (GRIPPER)
The latest trend is the PGE (printed gripper elastic). Many brands use this instead of the outdated silicone strip. We have experimented with PGEs, but we find that they start stretching and curling after 6 months of use. You need a certain amount of polyester fibre content in the PGE to reduce creep stress (polyester fibres don't stretch and help anchor the elastane fibres to prevent stretch fatigue). We wanted something better and found a material that uses thick polyester and elastane fibres (lycra fibres are finer) with many microdots of silicone on 1 side. Each dot works together to give an even and non tacky grip on the skin, while the lycra base (which we oversized) ensures your skin still breathes and doesn't over constrict your thighs.
This uses the theory of surface area. By using microdots across a wide gripper, you achieve 2 fantastic results:
-Increased surface area between the dots that allow the skin to breathe.
-Increased gripping surface area through the dispersed dots that ensure a “gecko” like grip on the skin. Works well with hairy legs, even better with shaved legs.
FABRICS
We use Italian fabrics from MITI. Again, this is carefully selected. We went through 12 prototypes with various combinations of fabrics before finding the perfect one. The fabric we use for our Bibs is a 220gsm matt black fabric with 20% Lycra POWER (an elastic fibre with compressive qualities) and 80% nylon.
There is a reason for this choice.
When we set out to design The Bib, we wanted to achieve a natural next-to-skin feeling when you wear them. The material should be soft, supple and highly breathable. We also wanted the fabric to have good anti-abrasion qualities. Nylon fibres are superior to ...
I suggest that you put this detail on your website - it's a compelling argument for the product (apologies if it's already there but I couldn't find it if so).
I've writted up a lovely article about this and have just put it up on the site :
http://www.redwhite.cc/bibs-detailed/
Its been a rather long discussion and I can't thank everyone enough for joining this conversation with us. I'm Yuva, one of the co-founders of RedWhite Apparel.
I hope I've clarified all questions, but please keep them coming! If I don't reply quickly, it means that i'm likely in bed given the massive time difference.
Rest assured, we aim to reply within 12 hours.
http://www.redwhite.cc/bibs-detailed/