Ask HN: Can you help me understand why I am so tired?
The problem is even if I sleep 8-9 hours a night I find that I get very drowsy at work. I usually drink coffee in the morning and tea in the evening. Maybe 600-900mg of caffeine a day.
I didn't always feel so tired at work but I do now.
After work I tend to come home and go back on the computer to catch up on non work things. I'm a hobbyist and the computer is what I like. But even here I still get quite tired. I do tend to feel pretty drained when I get home. Such as now after my day my eyes are droopy and stuff and I didn't even do all that much since it was a Friday.
I usually tend to not sleep a lot but have tried to sleep more on a few nights to see if it helps. I feel better in the morning and for most of the day but the tiredness comes.
On the weekend when I get on the computer after some time I again get pretty tired. It's so cold out I can't do much outside.
I don't know if I really now just no longer like computers or I am literally exhausted of computers and never give myself a break. I am almost always interacting with one. Even my away from computer time before bed is sent reading on a kindle which is a computer.
Does anybody have any ideas?
I have some great opportunities coming up that I need to study for but I am just so shot.
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[ 4.4 ms ] story [ 95.7 ms ] threadA visit to a doctor may also be in order. What you describe sounds to me (IANAD) outside the range of normal tiredness.
Try taking a full day off from devices on a weekend day or maybe both days. Pick up some hobbies with less screen time.
When you are on the screen try to limit the time you have so maybe give yourself a half hour to get X complete and work against a timer. If you're doing interesting work usually you're excited to keep going/make progress. I use the pomadoro technique (work 25 min/5 min break) and sometimes if I'm making progress I just keep going through the breaks.
Also coding all day and most of the night is probably too much. Typically you only have X hours of productivity per day so if you exceed that you will feel tired sluggish and want to give up. So maybe code in smaller sprints to make the most of your time.
There are plenty of evenings I'd like to code more or do a tutorial, but I'm out of cognitive energy and just don't have anything left.
I would try coding less, making the most of the time you allow yourself on screen time. Exercise more, take breaks, get out in the cold, try a shower to wake up and see how that goes.
Another thing to look into that involves a doctor, is the possibility of type-2 diabetes. Or possibly some other ailment.
It might be thyroid.
It might be some mood disorder.
I'm (obviously) not a doctor and you should probably see one. This is the kind of thing that they're happy to see people about.
After that you can consider psychological mechanisms, for example a defense reaction against forthcoming job change and it's requirements (learning new things). It sounds like a stressful situation and your reaction is quite common among people in similar situations. So it's absolutely ok to seek professional help, instead of trying to find a solution on your own.
A more recent thing I've been trying is taking (ar)modafinil 50mg 2x a day (7am and 11am). It has been working wonders for me for the past month, taken 3x a week (every other day [mon, wed, fri]).
You should also consider trying something that breaks your current schedule because it isn't working for you. Every year I try something new. This year I have been going to sleep before 10pm and get up at 6:30am. This has been a sort of revelation for me in terms of feeling better throughout the day, but it might not work for you.
It sounds job related to me. You should force yourself to get up for more frequent drinks of water/walks around the office and, whether you want to or not, you should probably stop using a computer in the evenings perhaps a few days per week. See what that does for your mood. If you do this for 3 or 4 weeks and nothing really changes, then you can explore other reasons for your exhaustion.
My routine requires me to walk about an hour a day and I exercise once a week (not hardcore by any means). That might help as well.
Anyway I can relate. I often feel that way but I think it is due to work pressure.
Good on your for changing just about every bad-for-sleep habit you could possibly have. Seriously, keep it up!
1. once you wake up, try to get out of your bed and do not snooze your clock.
2. figure out your sleep cycle. don't wake yourself up in deep sleeping.
3. make yourself sweat (aka exercise) especially after long hours of work. then have protein powder.
4. give yourself a 1-week vacation which you do not drink coffee at all. you are likely feel that the 1st coffee after your vacation is like a needle poking your face.
5. see a doctor (but honestly they might not know why) however you should get your blood tested and you may find out why you are so tired. maybe it is your nitrition.
You mentioned the cold. I find my energy levels are a lot lower when there is less sunlight.
If you spend your life indoors you most certainly have vitamin-D deficiency, which leads to testosterone deficiency, which quickens muscle loss.
Sedentary work without other activities is a recipe for feeling terrible, don't be surprised.
Get yourself checked, and soon.
1. Stay Really Hydrated. A lot of tiredness is thirst and muscles being sore from not having enough water. A good way to determine this is to do about 30 jumping jacks next to your desk and about 20 high-knees (I Kid you not). If your muscles burn, you havent had enough water and that probably also led to sleep problems.
2. Take power naps which remove mental stress. Here's a technique: Start counting down from 100 very slowly. After each number, repeat to yourself quietly SLOW DOWN. Dont say "RELAX" or "I NEED TO SLEEP" or any of that crap. Just say SLOW DOWN. All the brain needs to do is to slow down.
3. Cut out the caffeine and Start EXERCISING. Download the "7 minute workout" app on Android. Its a great uncomfortable routine which'll have your heart pumping in 7 minutes. You'll suddenly feel hungrier about 30 min after this and itll get the habit started
4. Increase circulation at home - stale air is tiring
5. Eat the right food. Also have an Organic protein supplement (like Orgain) from Costco.
This worked for me.
Nonsense. Complete nonsense.
You mention that you don't sleep very much and tried to sleep more for a few nights, try to continue that for a couple of weeks and see how you feel.
Something that often isn't mentioned with respect to sleep is consistency, go to bed at the same time and get up at the same time, every day - even on weekends. I personally struggle a lot with this one, but it has helped me a lot when I adhere to it. Even when I don't manage to go to bed at the same time on the weekend, I make sure I'm at most an hour late.
Good luck!
Of course it would be better to see a doctor then to ask a bunch of nerds on hacker news.
Exercise. Aerobic > anaerobic.
Take breaks from the computer every now and then for long periods of time, perhaps on the weekend.
Change up your routine.
Make sure you have a good bed, good sleeping posture, and that you aren't interrupted while sleeping.
Based on what you've written, it would appear that you don't get much exercise and might be overweight and eating too many processed foods, carbs, etc.
I've been a similar situation and the diagnosis was pre-diabetes due to poor eating habits, lack of exercise ... and depression. Depression is a real disease - not just a mental state.
There's far more to life than technology. Take up a sport or some outdoor activity. Enjoy the fresh air and company of others.
But what made my eyes pop was the amount of caffeine. 600-900mg is way too much and pretty sure it is affecting your sleep. First result from google [1] gives an upper limit of 400mg per day. Try not to drink any coffee/tea/colas after 2pm (or whatever makes sense for the time you go to bed) and cut the amount in total. 400mg is still about 4 coffees.
[1] http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healt...
Like you said that is way too much.
Effects of iron deficiency: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/ida/sig...
Also keep in mind that iodine and vitamin D are easy to be deficient in depending on what you're eating. But I have no idea if that is associated with what you're experiencing. Ask a health care person, someone who will do more than treat symptoms too.