I'm not sure I completely follow on why women in a developing nation need a cellphone. The article stated that there was a portion of individuals who did not even possess a bank account. Mobile banking isn't going to do anything for that. Are there legitimate needs for a cellphone in their life? The ones who do not own one have survived until now without one.
Who is going to pay for the service for the device? How are they going to handle situations where the phones will be flipped for a profit. How are they going to handle situations where the phone becomes broken or lost?
Lastly, how in the world is a phone going to get them out of poverty? I can understand if it was like a suit, where it gives a person a better position to obtain a job. However, I would think that a library would be better suited to get them out of the position where they're at.
My understanding is that the mobile banking services being discussed provide an account, like a paypal account, that can be used to accumulate funds - and pay your phone bill. In some local marketplaces, it is virtually required to participate - lack of a phone is a barrier to entry. It doesn't address the culture, but empowers those trying to cause change - like women who want to earn money in the marketplace.
That would make sense for the advocation of more mobiles. However, my concern is about "toping up" accounts. (Converting physical currency to the electronic) I still see a larger need for a bank account.
The article stated that there was a portion of individuals who did not even possess a bank account. Mobile banking isn't going to do anything for that.
Per this article, only 20% of people in Bangladesh have traditional bank accounts. Yet 33 percent of Bangladeshi men have used mobile money. Mobile money has replaced the bank account.
Are there legitimate needs for a cellphone in their life?
Do you have legitimate needs for a cellphone in your life? For a wallet, credit and debit cards?
Mobile money transfers are used in place of card processing, for loans and gifts. SMS and mobile money transfers have replaced cash remittances or money transfer services from cities to rural areas. You can't access these services without a cell phone.
Lastly, how in the world is a phone going to get them out of poverty? I can understand if it was like a suit, where it gives a person a better position to obtain a job. However, I would think that a library would be better suited to get them out of the position where they're at.
A cellular phone will help someone learn a fair price for their crop, good, or service, and allow them to contact buyers. This will do more for their income than a suit. But access to cell phones and mobile money doesn't just benefit people by increasing income. Giving women the ability to make purchases has listed benefits in the article:
"Women spend money differently from men. They tend to invest more in the health and well-being of their families — as much as 10 times more. They give priority to spending on health care, nutritious food and education. A child born in a household where the mother controls the family budget is 20 percent more likely to survive — and much more likely to thrive."
> Per this article, only 20% of people in Bangladesh have traditional bank accounts. Yet 33 percent of Bangladeshi men have used mobile money. Mobile money has replaced the bank account.
Unless I'm mistaken, that still doesn't sound like it would actually help the people that they claim that need it. You can't put physical cash into the mobile banking. [Well at least without using a transaction service, which would tack on fees]
> Are there legitimate needs for a cellphone in their life?
> Do you have legitimate needs for a cellphone in your life?
> For a wallet, credit and debit cards?
We're talking about different cultures. They've survived and accomplished life goals without a cellphone in their life. Could I go without a cellphone? Absolutely. I could go to a landline. But thats not the point here.
> A cellular phone will help someone learn a fair price for their crop, good, or service, and allow them to contact buyers. This will do more for their income than a suit. But access to cellphones and mobile money doesn't just benefit people by increasing income. Giving women the ability to make purchases has listed benefits in the article:
You're making an assumption that they will use the phone in the best case. To call someone over a fair price.... but you have to know those people in the first place. To further drive this point home: If you were buying a car, who would you call to compare prices? (Using internet services on your phone won't count for this.. as that in this culture it would be a new concept to find others in the market via a mobile)
> "Women spend money differently from men. They tend to invest more in the health and well-being of their families — as much as 10 times more. They give priority to spending on health care, nutritious food and education. A child born in a household where the mother controls the family budget is 20 percent more likely to survive — and much more likely to thrive."
You can't put physical cash into the mobile banking.
Yes you can. You can typically deposit without fees at airtime resellers and cell network retail outlets. Faster and cheaper than traveling to a bank branch.
Fees to cash out/send/receive money are as low as 0.22%.
Could I go without a cellphone? Absolutely. I could go to a landline. But thats not the point here.
This article and my question were more about the phone's ability to replace a credit/debit card and bank account, not a landline.
To call someone over a fair price.... but you have to know those people in the first place... If you were buying a car, who would you call to compare prices?
You call your family members, previous buyers, or middlemen in cities to get a rough sense of the market price. There are startups that offer crop price data via SMS.
D. Thomas, in Intrahousehold Resource Allocation in
Developing Countries: Models, Methods and Policy, L. Haddad,
J. Hoddinott, H. Alderman, Eds. (Johns Hopkins Univ. Press,
Baltimore, MD, 1997), pp. 142–164.
R. L. Blumberg, Ed., Engendering Wealth and Well-Being:
Empowerment for Global Change (Latin America in Global
Perspective) (Westview Press, Boulder, CO, 1995).
E. Duflo, “Women’s empowerment and economic
development,” working paper 17702 (National Bureau of
Economic Research, Cambridge, MA, 2011); available at
www.nber.org/papers/w17702
> Yes you can. You can typically deposit without fees at airtime resellers and cell network retail outlets. Faster and cheaper than traveling to a bank branch.
That's quite true. Even in developer (but not first-world) countries like Argentina, lots of stores and supermarkets allow you to push cash into your mobile phone. There's probably about 3 such places less than two blocks from home.
Personally, I just use online banking. But I feel that the newer generation (eg: those under 22) don't.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 28.7 ms ] threadWho is going to pay for the service for the device? How are they going to handle situations where the phones will be flipped for a profit. How are they going to handle situations where the phone becomes broken or lost?
Lastly, how in the world is a phone going to get them out of poverty? I can understand if it was like a suit, where it gives a person a better position to obtain a job. However, I would think that a library would be better suited to get them out of the position where they're at.
Per this article, only 20% of people in Bangladesh have traditional bank accounts. Yet 33 percent of Bangladeshi men have used mobile money. Mobile money has replaced the bank account.
Are there legitimate needs for a cellphone in their life?
Do you have legitimate needs for a cellphone in your life? For a wallet, credit and debit cards?
Mobile money transfers are used in place of card processing, for loans and gifts. SMS and mobile money transfers have replaced cash remittances or money transfer services from cities to rural areas. You can't access these services without a cell phone.
Lastly, how in the world is a phone going to get them out of poverty? I can understand if it was like a suit, where it gives a person a better position to obtain a job. However, I would think that a library would be better suited to get them out of the position where they're at.
A cellular phone will help someone learn a fair price for their crop, good, or service, and allow them to contact buyers. This will do more for their income than a suit. But access to cell phones and mobile money doesn't just benefit people by increasing income. Giving women the ability to make purchases has listed benefits in the article:
"Women spend money differently from men. They tend to invest more in the health and well-being of their families — as much as 10 times more. They give priority to spending on health care, nutritious food and education. A child born in a household where the mother controls the family budget is 20 percent more likely to survive — and much more likely to thrive."
Unless I'm mistaken, that still doesn't sound like it would actually help the people that they claim that need it. You can't put physical cash into the mobile banking. [Well at least without using a transaction service, which would tack on fees]
> Are there legitimate needs for a cellphone in their life? > Do you have legitimate needs for a cellphone in your life? > For a wallet, credit and debit cards?
We're talking about different cultures. They've survived and accomplished life goals without a cellphone in their life. Could I go without a cellphone? Absolutely. I could go to a landline. But thats not the point here.
> A cellular phone will help someone learn a fair price for their crop, good, or service, and allow them to contact buyers. This will do more for their income than a suit. But access to cellphones and mobile money doesn't just benefit people by increasing income. Giving women the ability to make purchases has listed benefits in the article:
You're making an assumption that they will use the phone in the best case. To call someone over a fair price.... but you have to know those people in the first place. To further drive this point home: If you were buying a car, who would you call to compare prices? (Using internet services on your phone won't count for this.. as that in this culture it would be a new concept to find others in the market via a mobile)
> "Women spend money differently from men. They tend to invest more in the health and well-being of their families — as much as 10 times more. They give priority to spending on health care, nutritious food and education. A child born in a household where the mother controls the family budget is 20 percent more likely to survive — and much more likely to thrive."
That sounds like a gender based stereotype.
Yes you can. You can typically deposit without fees at airtime resellers and cell network retail outlets. Faster and cheaper than traveling to a bank branch.
Fees to cash out/send/receive money are as low as 0.22%.
Could I go without a cellphone? Absolutely. I could go to a landline. But thats not the point here.
This article and my question were more about the phone's ability to replace a credit/debit card and bank account, not a landline.
To call someone over a fair price.... but you have to know those people in the first place... If you were buying a car, who would you call to compare prices?
You call your family members, previous buyers, or middlemen in cities to get a rough sense of the market price. There are startups that offer crop price data via SMS.
http://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/how-mobile-phones-are-tra...
[Women invest more in the health and well-being of their families — as much as 10 times more] ... That sounds like a gender based stereotype.
Clicking through on the links in the NYT article went to this article in Science (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6202/1273.full.pdf) which cites the following four sources for those statistics:
World Bank, World Development Report 2012: Gender Equality and Development (World Bank, Washington, DC, 2011); http://elibrary.worldbank.org/doi/book/10.1596/ 978-0-8213-8810-5.
D. Thomas, in Intrahousehold Resource Allocation in Developing Countries: Models, Methods and Policy, L. Haddad, J. Hoddinott, H. Alderman, Eds. (Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, Baltimore, MD, 1997), pp. 142–164.
R. L. Blumberg, Ed., Engendering Wealth and Well-Being: Empowerment for Global Change (Latin America in Global Perspective) (Westview Press, Boulder, CO, 1995).
E. Duflo, “Women’s empowerment and economic development,” working paper 17702 (National Bureau of Economic Research, Cambridge, MA, 2011); available at www.nber.org/papers/w17702
That's quite true. Even in developer (but not first-world) countries like Argentina, lots of stores and supermarkets allow you to push cash into your mobile phone. There's probably about 3 such places less than two blocks from home.
Personally, I just use online banking. But I feel that the newer generation (eg: those under 22) don't.