I make 77k$. 1 year of philosophy / psychology college, 3 years of Game Dev school while working in the same time, and one year on another job. Currently a JavaScript developer
$120k. Been out of college for almost two years now. I started programming in middle school but I would say that I didn't achieve any real value as an engineer until after completing my undergrad in Computer Science and doing a fair amount of freelance on the side during school.
This is worthless without saying at least the general area or country where you live. $60K is a "small" salary in e.g. New York City but a massive salary in e.g. Indiana.
Every time these threads come up people in high cost of living states that make $20K+ more than everyone else flood in and then reply to people living in low cost of living states with "how come you make so little?!"
Then the whole thread turns into a salary pissing match with only people doing exceptionally well replying and everyone else thinking about how much they're getting "screwed." It is self-selection bias.
Anyway...
- $47K, Utah, Programmer
- Unfinished college degree, and five years as a "DevOps"-style role
- Even for Utah my pay is on the low end, but I have a great benefits package and a ton of time off (about three weeks fixed, 20 days of vacation, and 10 days of sick leave a year), and I work actual 9-5 (no unpaid overtime). High job security (government), low turnover (I am the first hire in over five years), and a happy work environment.
- My work actually expects you to use your vacation. It isn't one of those "vacation on paper" places or "unlimited leave" places where the internal culture is to never use it.
- My pay increases at fixed intervals without negotiation and is tracked so it is a knowable quantity.
Do I get paid on the low end for the specific job title? Yes. But how much value can you place in an actual 9-5 where you only work max 11 months of the year and have good job security and great benefits?
Plus my pay slowly rises in time (above inflation) and I'll have no periods of unemployment (which can be extremely expensive, in particular if you have any medical stuff in the US).
Yeah, sure, I am rationalising but if I made even $65K this would be pretty much the perfect job, but you cannot have everything...
Wow, I totally agree with this, it is crazy seeing some people my age making 100k+, however their cost of living is higher and might have an unstable situation.
I to have a great job security, a happy work area, and great benefits with where I live I can support both the wife and I and live comfortably.
Also awesome you have the fixed time off on top or 20 days of vacation!
Agree with you points, without providing purchasing power comparison the numbers don't mean a whole lot. See my other comment which provides typical expenses for my locality.
24k/year grad student. Of course the pays not great, but I get to learn and work on some cutting edge stuff and eventually get a degree out of it. Also while I can end up working long hours, I generally choose when they are and can take quite a bit of vacation.
I make $65K salary (in Boston). Double major in Classical Studies and English in '06. Late bloomer in finding coding. Working professionally as web dev for just about 2 years. I'm considering going to school to get a masters in Computer Engineering.
Hey, fellow English/Classics student here! :-) In fact my first years learning Greek and Latin were in Boston. Been programming since I was 8, but always favored the humanities for formal schooling.
I like to say if you can read Greek you can certainly read Perl/C++.
If you're good I don't think you need the masters, unless you want to specialize in something mathy/difficult, e.g. machine learning. But if you can pick up just an algorithms and data structures course it will make you a better programmer.
Thanks for the kind words. Going to school is a question I'm debating a lot and I have been trying to mine HN for wisdom. I'm planning on applying in the fall and also applying for some jobs at around the same time.
Get a MS if it's something you want for your own personal edification; it's a toss-up whether or not the piece of paper will help you at all in getting jobs.
Making $77,500 base, ~9-10K overtime (I get paid the hourly equivalent of my salary for each hour over 40 I work, depending on the type of project I'm on).
Just under 2 years out of school (May 2013), was a Brain and Cognitive Science major with a minor in Legal Studies. Job progression thus far:
1. $45K base, no overtime - 5 months
2. $62.5K base, hourly wage as overtime depending on project - 1 year (switched jobs)
3. $77.5K base, hourly wage as overtime depending on project - ~4 months now (same job, got a raise)
I work at a consulting company in NYC that makes software for financial services firms.
$83k in central New Jersey. BSc in Computer Science, 10+ years of experience. Was making $50/hr for about 6months when I was on a consulting gig in NYC. Salary wise, this is higher than what I was getting when I was salaried in NYC. I feel like I'm being ripped off.
$62k, Eugene, OR, App Systems Analyst, been here 5 months
Working for the city government, first job out of college
Have Bsc in Comp. Sci /w honors, < 1 year out of school
H1B.
140K, SF Bay Area, Analytics/BI/Data Science
5 year timeline:
Dropped out of PhD Program (STEM program- not CS)...
year 1) Terrible economy, took non-paying internship, did sporadic contract work. At one point took home a job application to work as a barista.
year 2) 40k a year. Full time job at crappy company doing random, interesting work- mostly non-technical.
year 3) started working with "big data", really developed my technical skills. 80k
year 4) Continued big data work, with more experience, started making a real impact on product 90-105k base
year 5) Moved companies, now at 140k base
$100,000. I'm a 26 year old, self-taught Rails developer in Chicago with less than 3 years of professional experience. Really shocked to see all of the low salaries on here.
1. Started as a freelancer / Excel consultant charging between $25 and $50 an hour. Did some small jobs like Wordpress sites, web scraping, and writing VBA scripts.
2. One of my clients hired me full time as a contractor for $40 an hour. He hired me to write trading algorithms for him but I continued to learn Ruby on Rails in my free time.
3. After about year of that, got my first full-time job as a Rails developer for $75,000.
4. Changed jobs after a year and was brought on at $85,000. Shortly after I got a raise to $100,000.
This sounds like a solid road map. Do you mind giving some insight as to how you learned VBA/Excel enough to consult and where you found your consulting/contractor gigs?
$120k~ Melbourne Australia. 26 years old. Linux Systems Engineer / Operations.
Self-taught as didn't agree with most formal education. Pay has been between $90-$130K in various roles over the last 3 years, four years ago (as a 22yo) I was on around $60-$70K~ And busy climbing the ranks.
I'll never forget being looked down on my high school teachers and some of my family when I decided not to finish high school and then not to go to university. But it was the right decision for me and worked out very well.
Year 11 high school dropout. Currently 34 living in Tasmania, Australia. Laser cutter operator (some CAD work, self taught), metal fabricator (boiler-maker / welder) by trade. Also accredited in Clinical Nutrition. Previous experience running physical infrastructure in a data centre.
AU$60,000 + overtime up to around AU$75,000 total
Purchasing power comparison: where I live the following prices are typical. meat pie $5.10; can of Coke over the counter $2.30 ($1.60 - $1.80 from vending machine); apples are $3 - $6 / kg; whole cauliflower $6 - $8; petrol is $1.35 / litre; three bedroom home in ok suburb $230,000 or $280 / week to rent.
Edit: I also have access to over 1000 rock climbs within 1 hour drive of my city, 300 within 20-30 minutes walk of the city centre.
~90k living outside of Atlanta operating a small website and another seasonal business. Been doing this for four years, but been slow to learn/grow revenues. No cap on income, 120k, 200k, 500k, ... Bachelor's Degree, but not necessary.
Oh, I only work for ~4 months of the year and have the rest of the year to vacation / play / program / whatever.
San Francisco, Product Manager. 4 years of product experience, before that, 1.5 years of tech (non-developer) experience. $125K base, $15K bonus, about $1K of stock vesting every month (public company so stock value changes). Unlimited vacation (used about 4 weeks last year, will use about the same this year). Employer pays all benefits and for all lunches. 4 years ago was making $70K. Consider myself a good PM (others seem to agree).
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[ 4.5 ms ] story [ 133 ms ] threadEvery time these threads come up people in high cost of living states that make $20K+ more than everyone else flood in and then reply to people living in low cost of living states with "how come you make so little?!"
Then the whole thread turns into a salary pissing match with only people doing exceptionally well replying and everyone else thinking about how much they're getting "screwed." It is self-selection bias.
Anyway...
- $47K, Utah, Programmer
- Unfinished college degree, and five years as a "DevOps"-style role
- Even for Utah my pay is on the low end, but I have a great benefits package and a ton of time off (about three weeks fixed, 20 days of vacation, and 10 days of sick leave a year), and I work actual 9-5 (no unpaid overtime). High job security (government), low turnover (I am the first hire in over five years), and a happy work environment.
- My work actually expects you to use your vacation. It isn't one of those "vacation on paper" places or "unlimited leave" places where the internal culture is to never use it.
- My pay increases at fixed intervals without negotiation and is tracked so it is a knowable quantity.
Do I get paid on the low end for the specific job title? Yes. But how much value can you place in an actual 9-5 where you only work max 11 months of the year and have good job security and great benefits?
Plus my pay slowly rises in time (above inflation) and I'll have no periods of unemployment (which can be extremely expensive, in particular if you have any medical stuff in the US).
Yeah, sure, I am rationalising but if I made even $65K this would be pretty much the perfect job, but you cannot have everything...
I to have a great job security, a happy work area, and great benefits with where I live I can support both the wife and I and live comfortably.
Also awesome you have the fixed time off on top or 20 days of vacation!
I like to say if you can read Greek you can certainly read Perl/C++.
If you're good I don't think you need the masters, unless you want to specialize in something mathy/difficult, e.g. machine learning. But if you can pick up just an algorithms and data structures course it will make you a better programmer.
Best of luck to you!
I had ~ one year of professional experience when I took this job.
I'm self taught with about 10 years of hobbyist development prior.
Just under 2 years out of school (May 2013), was a Brain and Cognitive Science major with a minor in Legal Studies. Job progression thus far:
1. $45K base, no overtime - 5 months
2. $62.5K base, hourly wage as overtime depending on project - 1 year (switched jobs)
3. $77.5K base, hourly wage as overtime depending on project - ~4 months now (same job, got a raise)
I work at a consulting company in NYC that makes software for financial services firms.
~110k software engineering, SV, <1 year out of school.
1. Started as a freelancer / Excel consultant charging between $25 and $50 an hour. Did some small jobs like Wordpress sites, web scraping, and writing VBA scripts.
2. One of my clients hired me full time as a contractor for $40 an hour. He hired me to write trading algorithms for him but I continued to learn Ruby on Rails in my free time.
3. After about year of that, got my first full-time job as a Rails developer for $75,000.
4. Changed jobs after a year and was brought on at $85,000. Shortly after I got a raise to $100,000.
This sounds like a solid road map. Do you mind giving some insight as to how you learned VBA/Excel enough to consult and where you found your consulting/contractor gigs?
Thanks!
Self-taught as didn't agree with most formal education. Pay has been between $90-$130K in various roles over the last 3 years, four years ago (as a 22yo) I was on around $60-$70K~ And busy climbing the ranks.
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- Brighton UK - £25,000 ($37,250)
- Birkenhead, UK - £30,000 ($44,700)
- Liverpool, UK - £27,000 ($40,230) later £32,000 ($47,680) (took a hit to work with a stack I wanted to work with)
- Toronto, Canada - £47,000 ($69,500) plus 10% bonus
AU$60,000 + overtime up to around AU$75,000 total
Purchasing power comparison: where I live the following prices are typical. meat pie $5.10; can of Coke over the counter $2.30 ($1.60 - $1.80 from vending machine); apples are $3 - $6 / kg; whole cauliflower $6 - $8; petrol is $1.35 / litre; three bedroom home in ok suburb $230,000 or $280 / week to rent.
Edit: I also have access to over 1000 rock climbs within 1 hour drive of my city, 300 within 20-30 minutes walk of the city centre.
Oh, I only work for ~4 months of the year and have the rest of the year to vacation / play / program / whatever.
I advise you guys to quit your day jobs...