Ask HN: Do you help beggars?

I would tell myself that there are more optimal ways to give money to charity. Then I realized that doesn't work unless you actually do that, so I did that. Now I happily stare down panhandlers while giving them nothing. (The caveat's that now that I'm living off of savings, I think the most optimal charity is me. For some reason reading about timeless decision theory didn't help with this.)

I got some insight from a beggar in Moscow who I met outside a food stall who complained of hunger. I told him to order what he wanted. He refused and wanted cash instead.

Not all are like this. I started offering to buy food and some seem grateful and accept, others become belligerent.

You can make a lot of money in a day standing at a busy traffic signal getting dollars from people, more than you can make working for minimum wage for a day.

So I mostly quit giving cash, except in cases where I have been travelling and the person I've met provided a useful service or local knowledge to me as a tourist/foreigner.

I give cash to people selling "The Big Issue".

To some degree, "begging" has become a business model of finding the easiest way to make money. However, there are many who truly need the help. It's up to you to decide who receives your help. Yep, YOU decide who gets your donations. It's hard, but make sure the help you give goes to those who actually need it.

As to the "system", if your definition of the system is people volunteering to help people in need, then your choice to donate is a choice to be part of that system. It's not hurting it, it's part of it. You are volunteering to give, not forced.

Side note: I don't consider people doing something as entertainment "begging". It's an attempt to exchange time for money. I find it similar to going to a theatre. Of course I won't pay the same prices, but it's entertainment nonetheless. I feel busking is work, where they put in energy and time hoping to receive compensation, just like most people who have "regular" jobs.

I'm not sure that there is a good and balanced answers to your question. Here-after my personal algorithm. #1. Giving every time is not an option. My money will not be enough to save the world and I will feel upset before! #2. Throwing people away systematically doesn't feet with my very human nature. In conclusion, sometime I give. There is no good or bad people/moment. Most of the time I don't. I live with the idea that I'm not the best man in the world. Trying not the be the worst... I'm not sure if it helps...

You could help by not calling them "beggars".

If you are concerned that money would be used for something that you object to, buy them something to eat, or maybe some warm clothing. It is quite common for homeless people to wear shoes whose soles are falling off.

If you don't want to give money at all, or have none to spare, then stop to introduce yourself, ask their name then offer to shake their hands.

My shaking that hand which society deems as unworthy of being shaken, you may very well have saved a human life.

Generally not. Most local organizations (Washington, DC) that help the homeless advise against handing out cash to panhandlers. I do contribute once a year to a hunger fund that pays for a dinner program.

It's a difficult question, I've thought quite a bit about it.

Begging has increased massively in my city over the past few years (common in most of northern Europe)[1][2].

Some thoughts on this (totally understand if people disagree, it's a difficult topic):

- These people are obviously poor and miserable. Feeling sorry for them is a natural and human thing.

- But, if everyone were begging all humans would starve to death. It's not scalable.

- There are ~1 billion people on less than $1 a day (even with PPP adjustment that's probably less than most beggars make).

- Begging is sort of a 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' allocation method. It's likely that there is someone else that would need the money more.

- It feels like a bad thing to incentivize.

- These people have harsh lives, and often they've started with unfavorable odds. But I think it's more useful to focus aid/effort on structural issues, like fighting corruption, improving world trade, good institutions, education, etc (in both developed and developing countries).

- Human civilization as it stands today is a product of long, hard struggle. Most people have lived grim lives.

- Mostly an anecdote, but I watched a movie called 'Last Train Home'[3], about a Chinese family that works 12+ hours a day, 51 weeks per year. They saw their kids 1 week per year. That's quite the struggle. I'd guess most people watching the movie would feel that these parents lived a harder life than many people begging in rich western cities.

I'm not arguing these are in any way optimal (or even good choices), but things I've donated to are Transparency International, Amnesty and Wikipedia.

[1] http://www.newsweek.com/half-swedes-want-ban-begging-319327

[2] http://www.newsweek.com/influx-roma-norway-leads-begging-ban...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Train_Home_(film)

As far as giving to the homeless, etc... I generally give a dollar to anyone who asks. I figure they can't get into too much trouble with one dollar, and it's still giving something to help another person in need. I still go by my gut feeling sometimes, and don't give to everyone, though. Also, I put a "daily max limit" on my giving, too. I can only give so much in a day. Mostly I try to use it as a chance to talk to the person, and find out a little bit about them.

I think most of the people begging have mental health issues, and it can be very hard to tell at a glance who is sick or not, so I try to give without worrying about who the money goes to too much.

Also, I try to see it as a chance for me to be grateful for what I have and to share a little bit.

Good question. I actually just shared a blog post the other day on this topic/my recent experience: http://www.thebradlazarus.com/a-good-friday-for-giving/

When you give money to a beggar, you're saying that you want more panhandlers. That's how markets work.

The beggars have some organization, so that 100+ people don't swarm all the best spots.

I've dealt with many different types of beggars on a regular basis during the 5+ years that I've been living in Chicago. While my pockets aren't deep, I do try to be charitable when possible. I only give to those who I see on a regular basis, who come off as humble, non-harassing, and don't display obvious signs of substance abuse. Charity will range from spare change, to extra cash, even food if I'm out grabbing some when I run into them.

Begging, homelessness, destructive addiction, are systemic problems. Even the best charity is only trying to relieve the symptom.

We have in our power to completely end this kind of unnecessary suffering. No one ever need go hungry. But we don't live in that kind of world ecause the people in power are more concerned with popularity contests and money than human happiness, comfort, or dignity.

If you want to help go volunteer at a soup kitchen or get into politics.

I don't give them money or food. For the same reason I don't try to move the sea to the mountains.

I'll typically help with food. Rarely cash these days. It's just too hard to tell where the money really goes. (Unless the donations are through an organization)

Short anecdote - A friend met a homeless man on Haight St who in exchange for a burrito showed him some of his wild world. The man ended up taking him to an abandoned warehouse covered with mattresses and needles. The man opened up a bit and told my friend that when he asks for money, he doesn't care so much if people don't give it to him. But what gets to him after a while is how most people won't even acknowledge his existence when he asks. He said he understood if people said no, but he appreciated at least being told no or even simply looked at.

Don't do it. If you feel guilty please donate through a local shelter. That way all the people you don't see asking for money (children) can actually be helped.

When I was 8 or so, I saw a homeless guy lying on a bench in New Orleans, and I had a five dollar bill in my pocket, and even though five dollars was very hard for me to come by, I gave it to him. I felt very good about myself, at the time.

In retrospect, I probably would have put that five dollars to better use.

People live like that because they can live like that. If you give them cash, you're enabling their lifestyle.

I fed homeless people from a portable soup kitchen a couple of weeks ago. If you want to genuinely help people who genuinely need it, give them directions to a soup kitchen and social workers who know how to deal with them.

But the chances are that they already know where they can get real help, and they'd rather stand around earning $20 or more an hour asking people for cash. http://www.quora.com/Homelessness/How-much-money-do-beggars-...

When I can, I buy them some juice or food but in most cases I say that I don't have anything to give them. The worst thing you can do to a homeless person is ignore them. It makes them feel invisible and unwanted - think of how you feel whenever you're ignored. Now imagine that rejection of comes after you ask for things as simple and essential as nourishment or shelter. If you don't have anything to offer, a simple "I'm sorry sir/miss" should do. It acknowledges their presence and their humanity and in doing that you've done more than most.

I won the ovarian lottery, I am white in a first world country and was lucky enough to have the foresight to learn how to program. I can't imagine how terrible it would be to be on the street every day. I usually offer to purchase food, this is usually all I can offer because I don't carry cash on me.

In my country the only acceptable beggar would be a 18 years old who lost his both parents who were in debt, all of them having only the nationality of my country. I saw one guy in this situation... hell of a situation. Every other beggar are just lazy parasites who prefer to live thanks to charity than work.

If by "helping" you mean giving money to people directly on the street, absolutely not. I can't afford to give a dollar to everyone, so on what basis do I decide on whom to bestow my generosity? There is no fair way for me to do it, on the street, by myself. So I'm not playing that game.

We need more low income housing, more unskilled work (or a basic income), more care for the mentally ill, more public restrooms, food pantries, and safe places to go. We need to help people who are on the brink of homelessness stay off the streets.

What we don't need is more panhandling. It's a public nuisance that mainly benefits charlatans, and draws resources and good will away from those who need it the most.

No. I don't consider small amounts of money to be the solution to an individual's homelessness problem.

I feel strongly that giving money to someone who is deliberately spending their day begging is actually harmful to that person -- since any success prolongs their time begging. I guess I am assuming that the end goal is to not be begging.

A friend of mine once explained that his philosophy is that "it's not up to him to choose what they do with the money." So, he is very open to giving change to people who are begging.

I contemplated this for several months, and decided that it doesn't change my feelings. It took a lot of thought.

Do/Would I help beggars? Yes, but not by giving them my pocket change.

>> I am afraid I might be hurting the system

Seriously?

Just buy one guy's smile for a dollar and move on. No harm to the system is done.

A few times a week, cash only. I try to be friendly for the moment of interaction. I figure they have enough people treating them like beggars already.