I distinctly remember Tom Clancy writing about this type of technology near the end of Rainbow Six (published in 1998) -- He always seemed pretty well informed on what was undergoing testing if not what was actually in use.
When I read Rainbow Six, I remember wondering if he wrote parts of it to be more applicable in the video game, a la Splinter Cell. The heartbeat monitor, the map types (jungle, city, amusement park)... it seemed like nice fit.
I remember having the same thought with that book. Elements of the book seemed to be there for the benefit of spin-off video games, much like you'll sometimes find a character in a movie probably exists for merchandizing.
Maybe I gave him too little credit in this case. Either he was familiar with prototype tech that we aren't aware of yet, or he was actually a decent near-future sci-fi writer.
Weren't they made at the same time, in fact? Edit: Mind you, I only know this because I looked it up after having that exact thought reading the book :)
Yeah, according to this wiki citation[0], the tie-ins were a bit ad-hoc but the game plot was actually finalized before the book was done, which accounts for the discrepancies. So there's no real way of knowing what started out as a game mechanic.
Worked out better than Splinter Cell, anyway-- I don't think I got through more than a page of the novelization. (Which wasn't written by Clancy, FWIW.)
There have been dozens of similar frauds since, where the snake-oil-salesmen just dress up a dowsing-rod with blinking lights.
Remember, Tom Clancy was a fiction writer in the same vein as Dan Brown novels or CSI TV shows. His main nod to realism was in realms like military jargon or describing the correct fire-selector for a given model of gun.
I came here to say this, a device for tracking heartbeats was described quite extensively in Rainbow Six. I got the impression it was more of him extending his fiction creative license than drawing any inspiration from a real product, though. But it does make it very exciting that there appears to be an actual way of doing this.
He picked a bad example, because honestly you are right.
A better example might be how the DoD influenced/compromised the design of the Space Shuttle. The only reason it had those big-ass wings was so that it could fly polar orbit missions for the military. It never actually flew any of those missions, but it did fly a few classified military missions: STS-51-C, STS-51-J, STS-27, STS-28, STS-33, STS-36, STS-38, and a few others.
I won't argue that there isn't cross-pollination between NASA and the military, but if you're looking for a test pilot for your new, high-performance aircraft (or, say, rocket), you'd be hard pressed to find a more qualified candidate than a military test pilot.
That reasoning was used for years to exclude women from the astronaut programme, even when women outperformed men in NASA's own test pilot tests.
(Astronauts were drawn from the test pilot pool. Women could not become test pilots because test pilots were military pilots, and military pilots were not female.)
Nope, you're wrong. It's not really military. This particular project has been funded for many years by DHS.
It's based on radar tech that has been used in many past space-based contexts. For synthetic-aperture-radar-based mapping of Earth's topography from space (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/), for radar science (e.g., looking beneath the surface of Mercury using the 70-m Goldstone radar, http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mercury-2007...), and for precisely retrieving the Doppler shift of receding spacecraft for science and communications. (Source: I know some of the JPL radar group.)
There is military-funded work that goes on at NASA, but this particular radar tech is not such an example.
Yes, certainly not SAR. My point is there is a big heritage of space-based radar expertise the linked project is drawing on, and I was trying to choose examples that people might be familiar with. SRTM was a main source for the DEMs that people use in GIS.
This goes to show that even seemingly ridiculous (from the layman's POV) technology can be eventually used to create tecnology that can directly better our lives.
This was originally designed to detect alien life on other planets, but was converted to look for heartbeats and breathing under rubble.
This device can also be used to further the American Police State. I am a Targeted Individual and a victim of Gang Stalking [1]. And, I suspect that this technology was used by an upstairs neighbor to track me around the apartment and electronically harass me using a microwave device.
He would use a pulsed RF/microwave device (a Directed Energy Weapon [2]) to irradiate me as I moved around my apartment and also while I slept. Whenever I disabled WiFi, cell phones, etc. and moved slowly, he would stomp heavily/loudly on the floor, relocate me within seconds and the irradiation would resume. I bought an EMF meter to attempt to detect evidence of the harassment but could detect nothing. I have read that these DEWs can range up to 95 GHz, way beyond the capabilities of my device. As a result of his efforts, I now have electromagnetic hypersensitivity and my data-only iPhone delivers small stings to my fingertips.
Initially, I thought that the neighbor was using the loud stomping to generate a sonar/like wave that he could use to locate me within the apartment. Some researchers at the University of Washington described detecting gestures within a home using WiFi signals [3] and I thought sound waves might be used to achieve a similar effect.
For the uninitiated, this blurb describes the Stasi tactic called Gang Stalking (otherwise known as Organized Stalking): "Organized stalking methods were used extensively by communist East Germany’s Stasi (state police) as a means of maintaining political control over its citizens. The Stasi referred to the tactics as “Zersetzung” (German for “decomposition” or “corrosion” – a reference to the intended psychological, social, and financial effects upon the victim).
Although they are illegal in the U.S., the same covert tactics are quietly used by America’s local and federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to suppress dissent, silence whistle-blowers, and get revenge against persons who have angered someone with connections to the public and private agencies involved.
Illegal counterintelligence operations have been perpetrated against Americans by urban police departments in the U.S. since the late 1800s. Traditionally, the groups of mostly-undercover police officers involved are called “red squads,” although the modern official term is “Law Enforcement Intelligence Units (LEIUs).”
The most well-documented example of such operations was the FBI’s infamous Cointelpro (Counter-Intelligence Programs) under the direction of J. Edgar Hoover."
No, I didn't do anything to "deserve" this treatment.
It certainly makes for a hell of an executive summary for a project status report.
"The bad news is we still don't know if there's life on Mars. But the good news is we just located 4 men under a flattened Dunkin' Donuts in Kathmandu".
However, the claim that this is "based on technology used to detect alien life on distant exoplanets" sounds dubious. Exoplanets are far too distant to use radar on them at all, let alone pick up alien life signs.
I would think the technology in question is a sensitive detector. In that case, it could work either passively for the exolife search, or in an active SAR situation.
I don't know where they got "exoplanets" from. I Googled a bit and the best [0] I could find indicates some connection to radar tech used on missions like Cassini's.
First thought was that it's likely a signal processing technique designed to pick out a periodic signal in noisy data which allowed them to pick up out the heatbeats. To me that doesn't seem like much of a leap, but I don't know what they actually did.
I tend to think those four men, and the many others who died would have preferred the money had been spent on the simple, known process of better earth quake proofing the buildings in the region.
I'm not anti science for sciences sake, but this is not a logical argument. Bettering lives in Nepal is cheap and easy with current tech.
I think you might be replying to a different idea than reverend_gonzo was proposing. I think he's just noting that not-obviously-useful technological advances can have unexpected applications. I don't read him as saying that not-obviously-useful technological advances are the best way to save lives in Nepal.
If you just want to save lives, donate to whichever charity GiveWell[1] says is the best charity at saving lives per dollar. Every other use of money is vulnerable to the "but you could save more lives a different way" criticism.
But I just don't want people thinking four lives matter in the scheme of things.The world in not that sort of sugar candy and gumdrops sort of place.
Saving lives is cheap and easy as you point out, I'm just saying be aware this is a PR stunt. And hey it'll work. And NASA will get more funding which is great. I just like to be aware of what's real and what's not.
With their GDP, only if someone else does it. Plus Nepal is filled with some very old temples and the like which are not going to be easy fixes; if they survived this long its a testament to chance or their builders.
Bring up their GDP through economic development which will eventually provide the money needed for better construction but that will need to wait until their political situation settles down.
That doesn't work because "found 4 men" is not a modifier on "NASA's Radar". If it said "NASA's Radar Found By 4 Men Trapped In Rubble" then that would work.
(I think) if one capitalises every word, then they all have to be taken as proper nouns, rather than a mix of adjectives, nouns and verbs (as depicted in the tree diagram on the wiki page). At that point you're just failing to count properly ;)
The grammar rules that you find written down are an approximate encoding of rules that native speakers have all internalized. These written down rules are not perfect, and have edge cases. They allow for sentences that a native speaker would not formulate or easily comprehend. The "Buffalo" sentence is an example of such an edge case.
First of, Thanks for this technology that helped save some of my countrymen. This goes to show that technology can indeed help in many avenues to save lives. I am originally from Nepal living in NYC, and looking for ideas that could create technology-aided sustainable development as a key to rebuilding. Ideas that come to me, which might have high $$ values for implementation are - 3D printed housing, Organic Farming for quick rehabilitation on these villages, Open-Source BTS for communications etc. As costs go lower, these affected areas might be the right place to implement these. As much as I am devastated by what is happening in Nepal right now with the death toll only rising, I would like to reach out to the technology community out here or anywhere to provide me with ideas into helping us rebuild. Most of the relief efforts are donation-based, however, for longer term - creating a sustainable economy in these low privileged areas with the help of emerging technologies is what I think is crucial for faster recovery.
In the same vein [ugh, sorry, pun not intended] there's the video magnification techniques that detect and amplify micro variations across video frames - e.g. in skin tone/colouration for pulse monitoring [1] and e.g. in structures for engineering analysis [2].
This technology is really awesome, but I have to admit that I am scared to death of anything that can find me by my heartbeat under 6 feet of building rubble. The first thing that came to mind were those robotic octopi from The Matrix.
Why is our first response to new technology one of fear? This is a device designed to find alien life, the article is about it being used to save human lives, but all you see is a tool to find and attack you.
This isn't meant personally; you see this "Dystopia ex Technology" in Hollywood movies and popular novels. For every "Pacific Rim" we have, there's several "Matrix" clones ready to tear down our confidence in machines.
It's not the machines we fear. Most people do understand that it's not the tools but the people using them, and we know far too well the sort of people those are likely to be. The dystopian nightmare has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with governments. It's always been so.
There is a new wave of fear of strong AI, based on writings by Nick Bostrom, especially his book 'Superintelligence'. Elon Musk has helped to spread the word.
Unicorns are much the same. From the look of them, you'd imagine they must have gored at least a few people, but then you remember they don't exist. If we feel compelled to fear something, we can probably find more immediate dangers.
I'm not sure that's what Matrix is about. I thought it was turnabout by robotic life for our endless abuse of them - that's what Animatrix showed.
You could argue that the robots symbolized governments and Zion the freedom-seeking people. But that symbolism would be much more apparent in a different story, like Firefly/Serenity.
You realize that there was an article just today about a large spy agency violating the foundational laws of the country it was chartered in and using technology to spy illegally on citizens there, right?
The reason that people have a negative reaction to technologies that can be used for spying is that right now, in real life, spies are committing crimes against citizens using virtually every technical facet of modern society.
The thing is that that technology is being used by a bunch of monkeys. People conflate intelligence with primate social and behavioral quirks all the time because of the long running idea that all human behavior is somehow the product of the abstract idea of "intelligence." This is simply false. Many of the motivations that organizations like the NAS operate under are derived from our primate ancestry and should be name as such. This article is the perfect example that technology and tools are themselves completely amoral and what we are afraid of is not the technology but the other monkeys that we live with. AI etc is unlikely to be constrained by millions of years of evolution in primate social groups which has severely distorted human behavior but not completely stripped it of the ability to use its power for good (again, this article).
The most impressive new technology is often the result of massive spending by entities far more powerful than myself.
Guns are technology which can directly kill me, but I'm not too worried about guns, or even must gun owners. But when you're talking about a technology that (due to massive cost) is only available to governments with questionable oversight, that gets worrying.
In this specific case, I'm not particularly concerned - but you can see how the availability of the tech in question matters. If only people who are already more powerful than me can have it, it's much more likely that its power can be (ab)used to my detriment.
It would be pretty hard to hide from a totalitarian government in an attic if that government had sufficiently comprehensive residency information and this sort of technology. Count the bodies in each house on a regular periodic basis, and then figure out which ones consistently have more people than their census report indicates.
You could probably come up with some sort of regimen that would have people coming or leaving the house such that the number of people in it always stayed below what was indicated on the census, but it would still be a major concern.
I'm not sure whether you need such sophisticated technology for that. A smart meter will do for this purpose. And the data mining for that can be applied remotely, no need to bring any fancy stuff to the site.
Yeah, the technology seems tailor-made to amplify schizophrenic paranoia; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9507458 for an example saying, "I suspect that this technology was used by an upstairs neighbor to track me around the apartment and electronically harass me using a microwave device. He would use a pulsed RF/microwave device (a Directed Energy Weapon [2]) to irradiate me as I moved around my apartment and also while I slept."
It's going to get harder and harder to reassure delusional people that their delusions are false when they become technologically feasible.
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They were still a good read though.
Maybe I gave him too little credit in this case. Either he was familiar with prototype tech that we aren't aware of yet, or he was actually a decent near-future sci-fi writer.
Yeah, according to this wiki citation[0], the tie-ins were a bit ad-hoc but the game plot was actually finalized before the book was done, which accounts for the discrepancies. So there's no real way of knowing what started out as a game mechanic.
Worked out better than Splinter Cell, anyway-- I don't think I got through more than a page of the novelization. (Which wasn't written by Clancy, FWIW.)
[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20010804114957/http://gamasutra....
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/sep/24/local/me-26013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker
There have been dozens of similar frauds since, where the snake-oil-salesmen just dress up a dowsing-rod with blinking lights.
Remember, Tom Clancy was a fiction writer in the same vein as Dan Brown novels or CSI TV shows. His main nod to realism was in realms like military jargon or describing the correct fire-selector for a given model of gun.
There's a reason that the first astronauts were fighter pilots.
A better example might be how the DoD influenced/compromised the design of the Space Shuttle. The only reason it had those big-ass wings was so that it could fly polar orbit missions for the military. It never actually flew any of those missions, but it did fly a few classified military missions: STS-51-C, STS-51-J, STS-27, STS-28, STS-33, STS-36, STS-38, and a few others.
Not just people but technology, manufacturing & testing methods, etc. It's a more significant than cross-pollination to me.
(Astronauts were drawn from the test pilot pool. Women could not become test pilots because test pilots were military pilots, and military pilots were not female.)
http://history.nasa.gov/printFriendly/flats.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_13
It's based on radar tech that has been used in many past space-based contexts. For synthetic-aperture-radar-based mapping of Earth's topography from space (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/), for radar science (e.g., looking beneath the surface of Mercury using the 70-m Goldstone radar, http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mercury-2007...), and for precisely retrieving the Doppler shift of receding spacecraft for science and communications. (Source: I know some of the JPL radar group.)
There is military-funded work that goes on at NASA, but this particular radar tech is not such an example.
For (much) more: https://radar.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm
http://www.timedomain.com/news/wall.php
UWB has been around for 20+ years, and IIRC there was a big patent dispute back in the late 90's.
https://books.google.com/books?id=6_XVg-nX9qgC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA...
This was originally designed to detect alien life on other planets, but was converted to look for heartbeats and breathing under rubble.
He would use a pulsed RF/microwave device (a Directed Energy Weapon [2]) to irradiate me as I moved around my apartment and also while I slept. Whenever I disabled WiFi, cell phones, etc. and moved slowly, he would stomp heavily/loudly on the floor, relocate me within seconds and the irradiation would resume. I bought an EMF meter to attempt to detect evidence of the harassment but could detect nothing. I have read that these DEWs can range up to 95 GHz, way beyond the capabilities of my device. As a result of his efforts, I now have electromagnetic hypersensitivity and my data-only iPhone delivers small stings to my fingertips.
Initially, I thought that the neighbor was using the loud stomping to generate a sonar/like wave that he could use to locate me within the apartment. Some researchers at the University of Washington described detecting gestures within a home using WiFi signals [3] and I thought sound waves might be used to achieve a similar effect.
For the uninitiated, this blurb describes the Stasi tactic called Gang Stalking (otherwise known as Organized Stalking): "Organized stalking methods were used extensively by communist East Germany’s Stasi (state police) as a means of maintaining political control over its citizens. The Stasi referred to the tactics as “Zersetzung” (German for “decomposition” or “corrosion” – a reference to the intended psychological, social, and financial effects upon the victim).
Although they are illegal in the U.S., the same covert tactics are quietly used by America’s local and federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to suppress dissent, silence whistle-blowers, and get revenge against persons who have angered someone with connections to the public and private agencies involved.
Illegal counterintelligence operations have been perpetrated against Americans by urban police departments in the U.S. since the late 1800s. Traditionally, the groups of mostly-undercover police officers involved are called “red squads,” although the modern official term is “Law Enforcement Intelligence Units (LEIUs).”
The most well-documented example of such operations was the FBI’s infamous Cointelpro (Counter-Intelligence Programs) under the direction of J. Edgar Hoover."
No, I didn't do anything to "deserve" this treatment.
[1] http://fightgangstalking.com/what-is-gang-stalking/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon [3] http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/06/04/wi-fi-signals-enab...
"The bad news is we still don't know if there's life on Mars. But the good news is we just located 4 men under a flattened Dunkin' Donuts in Kathmandu".
0. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-290
I'm not anti science for sciences sake, but this is not a logical argument. Bettering lives in Nepal is cheap and easy with current tech.
If you just want to save lives, donate to whichever charity GiveWell[1] says is the best charity at saving lives per dollar. Every other use of money is vulnerable to the "but you could save more lives a different way" criticism.
[1] http://www.givewell.org/
Four lives is a drop in bucket in Nepal.
I'm all pro for technology.
But I just don't want people thinking four lives matter in the scheme of things.The world in not that sort of sugar candy and gumdrops sort of place.
Saving lives is cheap and easy as you point out, I'm just saying be aware this is a PR stunt. And hey it'll work. And NASA will get more funding which is great. I just like to be aware of what's real and what's not.
Bring up their GDP through economic development which will eventually provide the money needed for better construction but that will need to wait until their political situation settles down.
People in the old days occasionally got lucky, it's more chance and survivor bias.
Once you travel the world the first thing you should realise is no current buildings/temples/old stuff is real.
They are all rebuilt / patched with concrete.
Case in point, a lot of the temple in Nepal got destroyed in the earth quake 80 years ago. They are rebuilt temples falling again.
edit: Also, if somehow the radar had multiple heartbeats, we would have used "its heartbeats" rather than "their heartbeats."
disclaimer: I am not a grammarian or a linguist (IANAGOAL?)
(It's a valid sentence, honest)
But definitely not a sentence.
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Odd that I have -4 points on it - it seemed vaguely connected to the rest of the thread.
The grammar rules that you find written down are an approximate encoding of rules that native speakers have all internalized. These written down rules are not perfect, and have edge cases. They allow for sentences that a native speaker would not formulate or easily comprehend. The "Buffalo" sentence is an example of such an edge case.
I love that lead. Life detected!
Measuring the human pulse from tiny head movements to help diagnose cardiac disease [1]
[1] http://www.kurzweilai.net/measuring-the-human-pulse-from-tin...
[1] http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/
[2] http://people.csail.mit.edu/celiu/motionmag/motionmag.html
But it also says it is getting harder and harder to hide...
This isn't meant personally; you see this "Dystopia ex Technology" in Hollywood movies and popular novels. For every "Pacific Rim" we have, there's several "Matrix" clones ready to tear down our confidence in machines.
According to people who know better, you misspelled the word "FUD".
You could argue that the robots symbolized governments and Zion the freedom-seeking people. But that symbolism would be much more apparent in a different story, like Firefly/Serenity.
The reason that people have a negative reaction to technologies that can be used for spying is that right now, in real life, spies are committing crimes against citizens using virtually every technical facet of modern society.
Guns are technology which can directly kill me, but I'm not too worried about guns, or even must gun owners. But when you're talking about a technology that (due to massive cost) is only available to governments with questionable oversight, that gets worrying.
In this specific case, I'm not particularly concerned - but you can see how the availability of the tech in question matters. If only people who are already more powerful than me can have it, it's much more likely that its power can be (ab)used to my detriment.
You could probably come up with some sort of regimen that would have people coming or leaving the house such that the number of people in it always stayed below what was indicated on the census, but it would still be a major concern.
Related are sentences that are grammatically correct, but semantically nonsense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_fur...
It's going to get harder and harder to reassure delusional people that their delusions are false when they become technologically feasible.
Chalk up another Star Trek technology made real!