How do other startups handle NYC 'Summer Fridays?'
I've been hearing that some(many?) companies in NYC (mostly agency & media, it seems) have 'Summer Fridays' policies where they give Friday afternoons off to their employees.
As a west coast startup guy I don't totally get this, and wanted to know how startups in NYC handle it.
Specifically I'd love to get feedback from anyone who:
- Has a startup w/ offices in both SF & NYC. Do you do it for NYC employees? For all employees?
- Has a startup that's not doing this in NYC (and whether it causes any friction w/ your employees)
It seems a bit crazy to me to do it, esp. for a startup that's gunning hard, but I'm sure it's an NYC cultural thing. Just trying to understand the culture and how others handle it.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 30.4 ms ] threadThe companies that do summer fridays are companies where developers are working ~40 hour work weeks. These companies are usually places where they expect employees to last several years and often are profitable.
Why do companies do summer fridays? In the northeast, you typically have about 2-3 months where the weather is nice enough to go to the beach. If you've got kids, this is their summer vacation. Plus in many metro areas there are a lot of concerts and events going on during the summer. It's a nice way of letting your people enjoy their lives instead of just living for work.
Yeah so this is exactly why I'm wrestling with it. I totally get that it's an opportunity to enjoy the weather in the NE, and the culture is to hit the Hamptons or Fire Island etc., and that a lot of other colleagues are out there too. But another key part of what you said is "[These companies] often are profitable." So I'm super curious to know what high-growth, private, not-yet-profitable startups in NYC do.
I guess one way to think about it is: In SF many of us take 3-5 days off, at once, for Burning Man. In NYC they space it out over summer Friday afternoons.
- CEO of an NYC startup: "We certainly don't have a summer Friday policy, but I'd say in general I don't love Friday afternoons. People definitely leave pretty early. We had to move our meetings back to the afternoons." [I assume he's saying they did that to keep employees from leaving]
- European startup founder: "Same thing at publishing companies in London, more or less all year long. I'm not sure why there's those policies in the media space. I'm not planning on setting up anything like that… we're not a billion dollar company yet"
- Startup founder: "Yeah if you do summer Fridays are for banks, big cos, you know the place where people take this for granted... do not recruit people who want this."
- Startup founder: "As an east coast company we don't do that, but there certainly is an expectation to take more vacations and have more flexibility during the summer months. The main and obvious difference here versus the west coast is that you guys have nice weather year round"
- Startup CTO: "[At my last large media company gig we] had Summer Fridays but you'd visit the office at 5pm on Fridays and we'd usually all be there. To me, it's like the startups that have no vacation policy ("if you want to go, go"). Trust your employees. If you hired right, they'll appreciate the gesture but only take you up on it when it makes sense. That said, when people do use it, I think the 'Summer Fridays' don't guarantee there are post-work events (people could get an early start on skipping town)."
- Startup accelerator founder: "This is not some new phenomenon; This has been going on with startups for many years - even pre dotcom. Work always happens at these post work events and people take time to recharge - if you hired right, you need not worry, as people with shit to do stay and do it, and others get more efficient, if even for a short while. It is also a great time to recruit folks and I know I have seen a lot of folks hiring recently."
Schedule a company standup meeting at 4:30 or so. Everyone cracks open a beer to enjoy while presenting what they have been working on for the past week. The standup lasts 30 mins or so, after which those who want to leave take off, and those that are going to continue working usually grab another beer and head back to the computer.
I often get more work done walking around the park and thinking about better approaches to a problem than I do by sitting and trying to grind on a problem incessantly for hours.
If you can't trust your employees to do the right thing, you have captive slaves, not useful creative problem solvers.