Ask HN: How did you hack anxiety?

18 points by astrowilliam ↗ HN
Some of us have crippling anxiety and since we are all hackers in some form or another I find it would be helpful to hear from others out there that have dealt with it. I've had anxiety starting at around age 20 and have found numerous ways to deal with it, depending on the circumstance. I wouldn't say mine was crippling so I'd like to hear from others that have had to deal that circumstance. Maybe we can help a few people move in the right direction.

16 comments

[ 4.2 ms ] story [ 54.7 ms ] thread
There are lots of different kinds of anxiety. Procrastination is a form of anxiety. The only way to really get started in dealing with it is to see a doctor and get into a system that is tailored to your specific needs.
I have three ways: I pull out a piece of paper and do simple 4th grade math problems over and over till I am completely bored. By the time I am done, I don't even care what I was anxious about. The "angular gyrus" portion of the brain (look it up) is used for number processing and also helps us maintain attention. Anxiety for me is worrying about the future or my mulling over severe regrets about the past. The math puts into the "NOW" section of the timeline.

Two: Mindful meditation 2-to-3 times a week. this gives the ability to direct my thoughts better. UCLA page has guided meditations on MP3s that are amazing for stress reduction.

Three, I stay active: I am in a masters swimming program (2-to-3 times a week) and I take hour long walks.

I'm also doing a masters swimming program (3 times a week). It definitely helps, I've never taken proper swimming lessons so it's a nice activity to focus on and improve.
today is not equal tomorrow if you do something
I've had terrible anxiety at certain times in my life. I've found that it doesn't just 'go away' on its own, so it's great that you're asking for help.

Two things have helped me quite a bit: Exercising and meditating. Exercising helps flush out nervous energy, that knee-tapping, pencil-chewing, frenetic buzzing that tends to keep me up worrying at night. It also helps get me on a regular sleep schedule, and I tend to stay calmer when I'm well rested. Meditating has helped me quiet the noise. When I have a lot going on it can become hard to even decide what to focus on...meditating helps me clear that up and set my mind on single objects/tasks at a time. It also helps me accept the things that I can't change, and learn to acknowledge and move past my own failures (like missing a deadline) without freaking out or panicking.

Hope that helps.

Cognitive behaviour therapy is effective for many people who have anxiety disorders.

Seek a registered therapist (in England you can get access via your GP; or you can self refer to your local IAPT talkig therapies; or you can use your company's occupational health services; or you can get a private therapist. BACP are a reliable registration body for psychological therapists).

The Australian website "Mood Gym" provide online CBT. https://moodgym.anu.edu.au/

Sometimes anxiety disorders interfere with day to day life - they can become quite disabling. Early intervention helps and it might be useful To talk to a doctor, and to push the need for treatment.

Anxiety is a symptom, not a root problem. The root problem is uncertainty about the things that are important to you. What are you uncertain about? If you suddenly knew it, would you still feel anxious? If not, what else are you worrying about?

Now that you've got a list, try figuring out how you'd learn about those things, and what you'd do differently if you knew. If you wouldn't do anything differently, try being okay with not knowing. If it's straightforward to find out, figure that stuff out.

The overall goal of this is not to fight anxiety, but to use it. You have emotions for important reasons. Trying to fight emotions without addressing the underlying reasons is an unnecessary battle against yourself.

It depends. An engineer uncle and myself both developed disabling anxiety at around the same time in our lives; lately I've been wondering if one of our root problems in an inability to lie to ourselves (in his case a general habit of lying that could have gotten people dramatically killed on TV), but I don't think that fits into what you're talking about.

As for what how my doctor and I have "hacked" anxiety, and the last one is most certainly a hack done in desperation:

A long time ago ('80s) I learned Cognitive Therapy, which is now Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) with some additional stuff added to cognitive psychology (in simplest terms, you feel bad because you tell yourself bad things, view the world through dark glasses, etc., cognitive distortions of reality). I cannot speak highly enough of this; for example, many many years later I realized that thoroughly applying it to myself pretty much ended the usefulness of talking therapy. Start with this book and see what it and you can do: http://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-New-Mood-Therapy/dp/03808... (so good I keep an extra copy or two handy to give to people).

A laser specific SSRI, trade name Lexapro, generic escitalopram. Probably helps, not entirely sure; mixed with this is what my doctors and I suspect is depression of a bipolar nature (not like normal depression, but I only go manic if prescribed the wrong drug, like Paxil; this has been troublesome for a very long time, but not disabling by iself).

Critically, given what could otherwise be life threatening insomnia etc., a low dose of an "atypical" antipsychotic that has a useful sedating side effect (an antihistamine, so also good for your allergies :-), trade name Seroquel, generic quetiapine fumarate.

Thank you. This is the best advice/explanation on this subject I ever read. This is why I read HN.
I... smoked a lot of weed.
Indica hopefully. Sativa is the more uppy-thinky one.
Count to 10, deep breathing and then just do it.

It also works on calming too!

I stopped eating anything with any carbohydrates and instead ate more fat. This means I mostly only eat meat. (And I drink a lot of water.)

It knocked out my anxiety and depression so well that, recently I've had a lot of stressful things happen in my life, but I don't feel any anxiety at all.

I've also lost 35 lbs in 2 months.

http://www.ketotic.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ3C0mrZ3ZY

I had a massive blow out after something I was working on did not work out, something I flew a thousand miles, leaving behind a family, to work on. The fact that I did that tells you I was the most fearless daredevil you could ever meet, and I did not know what anxiety was!

Firstly this is NORMAL, accept it. I dont know how long I struggled to accept it. Everyone is anxious, some more than others, because of either human nature or the way they are from the beginning or due to some life changing events.

Secondly I cant stress the importance of breathing exercises enough. Anytime you feel anxiety coming on(and you will eventually start to recognize it with some physical or mental symptoms) do the 4..7..8 breathing exercise

-- Exhale completely through your mouth, making a whoosh sound.

-- Close your mouth and inhale quietly through your nose to a mental count of four.

-- Hold your breath for a count of seven.

-- Exhale completely through your mouth, making a whoosh sound to a count of eight.

--This is one breath. Now inhale again and repeat the cycle three more times for a total of four breaths. TRUST ME ON THIS. THIS IS THE HACK YOU ARE LOOKING FOR

Thirdly be mindful of your thoughts, step away every time you are anxious and see it like you were someone else advicing you, what would you say to someone else who was going through this?

Fourth - Be active! Physically. Gym, Run outdoors!

I was slightly iffy on Swimming, because although it helps physically, I always felt slightly more anxious underwater because it left me alone with my thoughts initially. But then eventually once I controlled my anxiety enough, and learned to be more mindfulness I thought it was great too!

This is how I hack anxiety and in my opinion is more than enough.

If you're talking about anxiety as in a diagnosed or suspected anxiety disorder (i.e. not in the sense of the normal emotion), the way to go would be:

Treatment [0] - as with any other health problem - and a generally healthy lifestyle.

Last I checked, talking therapies like CBT [1] and ACT [2] yielded favorable results in research [3].

[0]: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/anxiety-disorders/inde...

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy

[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance_and_commitment_thera...

[3]: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3263389/

There seems to be a big resistance to a pharmacological solution to mental health problems on HN. That's how I "hacked" my anxiety. I tried various dietary changes, various physical activity routines, meditation, etc but in the end found the best solution was a visit to a professional and get a prescription.

I used to be more resistant to medicating mental health problems in that way until it worked for me. I went from an almost nonfunctional wreck to a thriving, functional person again. YMMV.