> No, "good" is an evaluation, and exist only inside human minds. I think we fundamentally disagree on that. But it was an interesting conversation.
> The assumption that "higher good" should be important to me more than my own life is laughable. I don't think it is laughable at all. People across the planet, history and culture all identified a highest good, which…
I see. It seems rather reasonable to me. If there is a highest good and it is not myself, then sacrificing a lower good (me) for a higher good is the correct move, as long as there isn't an even higher rule that…
based?
It's ultimately a philosophical issue about the nature of consciousness. Some people think that consciousness is a phenomenon that emerges when we introduce enough complexity to some amount of matter. After all, if we…
I'm saying the tracks are on the same level as roads. Not riding the trains.
But a fountain is something that naturally occurs. It is used in that way because it gives more water than anyone can use, but enough water for everyone in reasonable amounts. It's not just some kind of lesser evil.…
I don't think I'm misconstruing these two definitions, because I didn't talk about the definitions you just brought up. I also think it is quite clear that I'm talking about what the government should or shouldn't…
I'm neither an individualist nor an American. I'm actually from Germany and experienced how the 3 months of Deutschlandticket affected the people around me.
> If I drink water from a public water fountain why is that in the public's interest? If there were no fountain, then many people would get water bottles and that's too big of a hassle. Defining a public good is quite…
It may be the case that I cause a lot less externalities, but I don't think that affects the definition of a public good. If I visited my friend by using a motorcycle, I'd cause less externalities too, but I don't think…
>public parks, public litter bins, public roads These examples are permanent things, that only need to be maintained, and it's easier to just let the government handle them instead of letting the individual pay or…
Why is it a public good? It only benefits the individuals who are travelling. If I take the train to visit my sister, I don't see how that is in the public's interest.
Your calculator can fool thousands, but only because you can fool others, it doesn't mean that it becomes the thing it is pretending to be. My point was quite limited to saying that you won't get actual intelligence,…
Yes. The same way the best magicians are just using a complex construct of illusions to fool the audience. Or if two children stacked under a trench coat deliver a very, very, very convincing performance of an adult and…
> Nobody, except people with legitimate mental health issues, thinks killing is a "good" thing. But what if a woman wants to kill her unborn child?
You're opening a can of worms, but that's basically what every debate does. The idea of "sex work" has other, larger implications. For example, in my country, if you are unemployed, the government gives you some money,…
Yes, but imagine having that service 24/7 available from everywhere and for almost every product imaginable?
> No, "good" is an evaluation, and exist only inside human minds. I think we fundamentally disagree on that. But it was an interesting conversation.
> The assumption that "higher good" should be important to me more than my own life is laughable. I don't think it is laughable at all. People across the planet, history and culture all identified a highest good, which…
I see. It seems rather reasonable to me. If there is a highest good and it is not myself, then sacrificing a lower good (me) for a higher good is the correct move, as long as there isn't an even higher rule that…
based?
It's ultimately a philosophical issue about the nature of consciousness. Some people think that consciousness is a phenomenon that emerges when we introduce enough complexity to some amount of matter. After all, if we…
I'm saying the tracks are on the same level as roads. Not riding the trains.
But a fountain is something that naturally occurs. It is used in that way because it gives more water than anyone can use, but enough water for everyone in reasonable amounts. It's not just some kind of lesser evil.…
I don't think I'm misconstruing these two definitions, because I didn't talk about the definitions you just brought up. I also think it is quite clear that I'm talking about what the government should or shouldn't…
I'm neither an individualist nor an American. I'm actually from Germany and experienced how the 3 months of Deutschlandticket affected the people around me.
> If I drink water from a public water fountain why is that in the public's interest? If there were no fountain, then many people would get water bottles and that's too big of a hassle. Defining a public good is quite…
It may be the case that I cause a lot less externalities, but I don't think that affects the definition of a public good. If I visited my friend by using a motorcycle, I'd cause less externalities too, but I don't think…
>public parks, public litter bins, public roads These examples are permanent things, that only need to be maintained, and it's easier to just let the government handle them instead of letting the individual pay or…
Why is it a public good? It only benefits the individuals who are travelling. If I take the train to visit my sister, I don't see how that is in the public's interest.
Your calculator can fool thousands, but only because you can fool others, it doesn't mean that it becomes the thing it is pretending to be. My point was quite limited to saying that you won't get actual intelligence,…
Yes. The same way the best magicians are just using a complex construct of illusions to fool the audience. Or if two children stacked under a trench coat deliver a very, very, very convincing performance of an adult and…
> Nobody, except people with legitimate mental health issues, thinks killing is a "good" thing. But what if a woman wants to kill her unborn child?
You're opening a can of worms, but that's basically what every debate does. The idea of "sex work" has other, larger implications. For example, in my country, if you are unemployed, the government gives you some money,…
Yes, but imagine having that service 24/7 available from everywhere and for almost every product imaginable?