I was always told only the government can go to space and explore for humanity? You mean a private company is doing it?
> But the argument is it benefits the poorer more than it hurts the rich. This is a really hard point to prove. > A society should search to maximize utility. "Society" doesn't do anything. There is no hivemind. We are…
> basic needs Depends on what you consider basic needs doesn't it? If humans only consumed their basic needs than I agree, we should be scared of automation. The thing is as we become more prosperous, our basic needs…
> What if it were true that free market nor capitalism no longer benefit the poor, what do we do then? If that were true then we would switch to a better system. I don't think it is and I don't think there is one. I…
> horses CGPGrey rears his ugly head! > Yeah, the labor pool moved to the service / cognitive jobs. I'm sure you are right but I would argue that trying to quantify cognitive jobs is foolhardy and I am not convinced in…
My argument wasn't that the tax itself is immoral, although I'm a flat tax guy, but rather that where the money is spent and how can easily be immoral.
The unemployment rate would be closer to 50% if everyone that "should" be unemployed now were. We can argue about the recovery and other economic problems, I'm simply saying automation isn't a source for unemployment,…
I'll try and be more specific. If there are ten people in a country and money is dispersed in this way: Bottom 2 each have $10 Middle 6 each have $20 Top 2 each have $50 I would support a system that takes say... 10%…
> And UBI advocates generally say it benefits everyone. It benefits the poorer at the expense of the rich. >In fact, that's why they prefer it over other government programs! I would support the UBI as a replacement for…
I agree, that's why I support a system that benefits them the most, free market Capitalism and a government that does only what it should.
Emotional argument not found reality.
Let me rephrase that... Automation WILL put people out of work. Just looking at my agricultural example that is true. My point is that those people found other jobs in other industries which is why the unemployment rate…
> Oh come on, we've been over all of this a hundred times here on HN. I'm new here! Don't kill me! > Also known as taxation, I wrote a lengthy reply to this argument below. Automation: There are still tons of physical…
> the nutty "taxation is immoral" argument. I agree that argument is nutty! That's why I didn't make it. Where did I say, in fact you supposedly quote me, "taxation is immoral". I said taking money from some and giving…
The UBI and this article are terrible. First of all, it's expensive. Guaranteeing every American a certain sum of money will cost a ridiculous amount. Second, it's immoral. Taking money from one person and giving it to…
The tech didn't make us dishonest. It only made it easier.
< "4-year moodswings" AKA the will of the people. It amazes me that after all the evil we have seen come out of authoritarian rule we still get people bashing democracy.
But you would admit that Democracy and Republics are far superior in almost every way?
The big thing you're missing is how the separation of powers in the US prevents what you describe as a "monarchy" from ruling as a monarchy. Besides in your own comment you admit that Trump goes against this idea. We…
That was hard to read! I mean that literally, the spacing was weird.
I'm just saying the Chinese care way more about their image than Americans. So it should come as no surprise when they are more aggressive towards winning these awards. The American government has better ways to spend…
If you look at the list of winners. Many of them come from authoritarian countries. I have no doubt that the Chinese government actively aids its competitors with great incentives and probably a few questionable…
So what does it mean?
I think we are in agreement. Russia has done fairly well in spite of their past economic system and today would be far better off if they had adopted our, American, system.
I didn't think my terminology was confusing. In fact, just using the context you were able to figure out I was talking about America and therefor meant the American meaning of those words. Also, my labels aren't "wrong"…
I was always told only the government can go to space and explore for humanity? You mean a private company is doing it?
> But the argument is it benefits the poorer more than it hurts the rich. This is a really hard point to prove. > A society should search to maximize utility. "Society" doesn't do anything. There is no hivemind. We are…
> basic needs Depends on what you consider basic needs doesn't it? If humans only consumed their basic needs than I agree, we should be scared of automation. The thing is as we become more prosperous, our basic needs…
> What if it were true that free market nor capitalism no longer benefit the poor, what do we do then? If that were true then we would switch to a better system. I don't think it is and I don't think there is one. I…
> horses CGPGrey rears his ugly head! > Yeah, the labor pool moved to the service / cognitive jobs. I'm sure you are right but I would argue that trying to quantify cognitive jobs is foolhardy and I am not convinced in…
My argument wasn't that the tax itself is immoral, although I'm a flat tax guy, but rather that where the money is spent and how can easily be immoral.
The unemployment rate would be closer to 50% if everyone that "should" be unemployed now were. We can argue about the recovery and other economic problems, I'm simply saying automation isn't a source for unemployment,…
I'll try and be more specific. If there are ten people in a country and money is dispersed in this way: Bottom 2 each have $10 Middle 6 each have $20 Top 2 each have $50 I would support a system that takes say... 10%…
> And UBI advocates generally say it benefits everyone. It benefits the poorer at the expense of the rich. >In fact, that's why they prefer it over other government programs! I would support the UBI as a replacement for…
I agree, that's why I support a system that benefits them the most, free market Capitalism and a government that does only what it should.
Emotional argument not found reality.
Let me rephrase that... Automation WILL put people out of work. Just looking at my agricultural example that is true. My point is that those people found other jobs in other industries which is why the unemployment rate…
> Oh come on, we've been over all of this a hundred times here on HN. I'm new here! Don't kill me! > Also known as taxation, I wrote a lengthy reply to this argument below. Automation: There are still tons of physical…
> the nutty "taxation is immoral" argument. I agree that argument is nutty! That's why I didn't make it. Where did I say, in fact you supposedly quote me, "taxation is immoral". I said taking money from some and giving…
The UBI and this article are terrible. First of all, it's expensive. Guaranteeing every American a certain sum of money will cost a ridiculous amount. Second, it's immoral. Taking money from one person and giving it to…
The tech didn't make us dishonest. It only made it easier.
< "4-year moodswings" AKA the will of the people. It amazes me that after all the evil we have seen come out of authoritarian rule we still get people bashing democracy.
But you would admit that Democracy and Republics are far superior in almost every way?
The big thing you're missing is how the separation of powers in the US prevents what you describe as a "monarchy" from ruling as a monarchy. Besides in your own comment you admit that Trump goes against this idea. We…
That was hard to read! I mean that literally, the spacing was weird.
I'm just saying the Chinese care way more about their image than Americans. So it should come as no surprise when they are more aggressive towards winning these awards. The American government has better ways to spend…
If you look at the list of winners. Many of them come from authoritarian countries. I have no doubt that the Chinese government actively aids its competitors with great incentives and probably a few questionable…
So what does it mean?
I think we are in agreement. Russia has done fairly well in spite of their past economic system and today would be far better off if they had adopted our, American, system.
I didn't think my terminology was confusing. In fact, just using the context you were able to figure out I was talking about America and therefor meant the American meaning of those words. Also, my labels aren't "wrong"…