It's still not clear to me whether you are raising an issue with scanning client side, or your concern is actually with some other policy you expect to be implemented in future. What is the most obviously different…
Can you explain why? Commenters here are making claims about false positives, arrests of innocents, lived ruined etc. These effects are identical whether uploads are scanned before or after transmission. What are the…
I completely agree with your characterization of the various concerns. I don't agree with the characterization that this system will cause baseless accusations. These systems have been in place for many years and have…
Sorry, to clarify, you do in fact support Apple running the exact same scans on their server side CPUs? A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? Your only concern then, is with a future authoritarian…
The distinction between scanning locally before upload, and on server after upload, is an implementation detail. The only reason Apple have done this is to allow them to implement E2EE for iCloud without hosting CSAM.…
Nobody is proposing that though... It's a fact that NCMEC referrals have identified teachers who were secretly pedophiles, who were subsequently banned from teaching. Most people see this as a good thing. If you want to…
Have we established that? Certainly not a reality I recognize. The processes involved in CSAM databases like NCMEC/ICSE are many years old. If it leads to widespread civil rights abuses, where are they? Google Drive has…
How are you expecting me to describe this limit? I think it's legitimate for companies to implement automated systems, such as CSAM and spam filtering, to limit the amount of unwanted material on their networks. I don't…
I don't know why this is downvoted, you are absolutely right. Prosecutions based, essentially, on community suspicion are what lead to countless black men being wrongfully convicted of the rape of white women. Police…
The system is basically what you describe except the explicit report is precisely what Apple send to NCMEC. By the time it gets to the police, there will be an identified crime. This has been the case for many years. I…
Well, police still investigate with evidence, but the potential scope of "evidence" is pretty much the whole physical universe. File hashes and TCP packet captures are evidence, DNA fragments are evidence, weather…
You probably don't realise it, because you're coming from a perspective that has been heavily influenced in a particular way, but some of these questions are kind of insulting and don't really assume good faith (or even…
> "Can’t the police do good old fashioned police work to catch people doing these things?" I'm a detective that works exclusively on online child sexual offences. The short answer to this is "no", although the question…
It's still not clear to me whether you are raising an issue with scanning client side, or your concern is actually with some other policy you expect to be implemented in future. What is the most obviously different…
Can you explain why? Commenters here are making claims about false positives, arrests of innocents, lived ruined etc. These effects are identical whether uploads are scanned before or after transmission. What are the…
I completely agree with your characterization of the various concerns. I don't agree with the characterization that this system will cause baseless accusations. These systems have been in place for many years and have…
Sorry, to clarify, you do in fact support Apple running the exact same scans on their server side CPUs? A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? Your only concern then, is with a future authoritarian…
The distinction between scanning locally before upload, and on server after upload, is an implementation detail. The only reason Apple have done this is to allow them to implement E2EE for iCloud without hosting CSAM.…
Nobody is proposing that though... It's a fact that NCMEC referrals have identified teachers who were secretly pedophiles, who were subsequently banned from teaching. Most people see this as a good thing. If you want to…
Have we established that? Certainly not a reality I recognize. The processes involved in CSAM databases like NCMEC/ICSE are many years old. If it leads to widespread civil rights abuses, where are they? Google Drive has…
How are you expecting me to describe this limit? I think it's legitimate for companies to implement automated systems, such as CSAM and spam filtering, to limit the amount of unwanted material on their networks. I don't…
I don't know why this is downvoted, you are absolutely right. Prosecutions based, essentially, on community suspicion are what lead to countless black men being wrongfully convicted of the rape of white women. Police…
The system is basically what you describe except the explicit report is precisely what Apple send to NCMEC. By the time it gets to the police, there will be an identified crime. This has been the case for many years. I…
Well, police still investigate with evidence, but the potential scope of "evidence" is pretty much the whole physical universe. File hashes and TCP packet captures are evidence, DNA fragments are evidence, weather…
You probably don't realise it, because you're coming from a perspective that has been heavily influenced in a particular way, but some of these questions are kind of insulting and don't really assume good faith (or even…
> "Can’t the police do good old fashioned police work to catch people doing these things?" I'm a detective that works exclusively on online child sexual offences. The short answer to this is "no", although the question…