So if an OpenAI employee just went on his own and did this, rather than 'an AI', what legal repercussions would there be?
I wouldn't assume this administration gives a shit about inflation or rising interest rates or how the rest of the economy is doing. Do you have any reason to believe they do?
I don't think anyone really cares about 'the measured impact the data had on the exact result' - a question which is fundamentally difficult to answer accurately in the first place - but rather whether the data was used…
Frankly, I don't buy this difficulty argument. They know which model was used to come up with that particular idea. A text search over the corpus of user data used in the training set can only take so long.
It may not be easy, quick, or simple to figure that out - absolutely fair. But it is knowable. Their entire business is built around training models - they have the ability to know exactly what was in any given training…
These responses seem to me to make it abundantly clear who's telling the truth here. I wonder who this fools. It would be extraordinarily easy to simply say, this model was not trained on your work, if that were the…
Ya, I'm not sure why anyone would choose to use this over any other option that doesn't sacrifice your privacy.
Because it's the best option currently available. It's really easy to shit on AI benchmarks, but that noise is useless unless you're offering a solution or a better benchmark.
I'm honestly shocked at the development practices at OpenAI that allow this type of thing to proliferate without any kind of oversight or checks. I guess it's just "do whatever the hell you want" over there, huh?
Eh, I definitely can't agree with this one. Some of the most beloved games of all time had effectively no on-ramp of any kind - especially if you're willing to go back 30 years - and none of the fans of those games…
You're totally allowed to have that opinion. Time is valuable. It does have a tutorial nowadays, but it's still not easy. Not everyone _wants_ to learn Dwarf Fortress, and that's fine - it's not for everyone. But I'm…
Yep, the game is difficult to get into, it's not for everyone. The game is great, though. You are in the "I have no idea what's going on" phase.
I know HN sometimes has 'show' posts, but usually they aren't just ads, usually they have _something_ more than just a plain old "hey come spend money on my product" ad. Like a tech write-up, or something. This is just…
I appreciate the response, I should have finished reading through the whole thing first. My initial reaction assumed far less usage of AI to analyze the data.
Do you have a source for this claim? Because the article literally starts by listing the real people who contributed to this. Edit: also, just conceptually, this is an absurd argument
I don't get it, are you implying everyone who's not a fan of this change is a Google employee?
That's a higher percentage of the population than those who voted for the winning candidate in the last presidential election. I wouldn't say that's comparable to ~15%.
Good point, I didn't see that. I guess I categorized them in the same bucket of 'runs on 128gb machines' Guess Qwen 4 is the one to wait for.
Very curious to see how this compares to Deepseek v4 Flash. I have to assume they wouldn't be releasing this if it was worse.
If only you were able to take your perspective one step farther. Why did he commit suicide?
No, but you failed to comprehend the section of my comment where I mentioned "workarounds [...] are what the existing ad blockers now use"
This is a narrative that MS, Google etc want you to believe. They gutted it for ads. That's what's happening. There are workarounds now, that's what the existing ad block options are. They are heavily kneecapped.
How is this relevant?
Trusting snake oil is a wild choice.
I mean what are these devs doing that they are day-1 updating npm packages still? How many instances of this are required before npm package maintainers learn?
So if an OpenAI employee just went on his own and did this, rather than 'an AI', what legal repercussions would there be?
I wouldn't assume this administration gives a shit about inflation or rising interest rates or how the rest of the economy is doing. Do you have any reason to believe they do?
I don't think anyone really cares about 'the measured impact the data had on the exact result' - a question which is fundamentally difficult to answer accurately in the first place - but rather whether the data was used…
Frankly, I don't buy this difficulty argument. They know which model was used to come up with that particular idea. A text search over the corpus of user data used in the training set can only take so long.
It may not be easy, quick, or simple to figure that out - absolutely fair. But it is knowable. Their entire business is built around training models - they have the ability to know exactly what was in any given training…
These responses seem to me to make it abundantly clear who's telling the truth here. I wonder who this fools. It would be extraordinarily easy to simply say, this model was not trained on your work, if that were the…
Ya, I'm not sure why anyone would choose to use this over any other option that doesn't sacrifice your privacy.
Because it's the best option currently available. It's really easy to shit on AI benchmarks, but that noise is useless unless you're offering a solution or a better benchmark.
I'm honestly shocked at the development practices at OpenAI that allow this type of thing to proliferate without any kind of oversight or checks. I guess it's just "do whatever the hell you want" over there, huh?
Eh, I definitely can't agree with this one. Some of the most beloved games of all time had effectively no on-ramp of any kind - especially if you're willing to go back 30 years - and none of the fans of those games…
You're totally allowed to have that opinion. Time is valuable. It does have a tutorial nowadays, but it's still not easy. Not everyone _wants_ to learn Dwarf Fortress, and that's fine - it's not for everyone. But I'm…
Yep, the game is difficult to get into, it's not for everyone. The game is great, though. You are in the "I have no idea what's going on" phase.
I know HN sometimes has 'show' posts, but usually they aren't just ads, usually they have _something_ more than just a plain old "hey come spend money on my product" ad. Like a tech write-up, or something. This is just…
I appreciate the response, I should have finished reading through the whole thing first. My initial reaction assumed far less usage of AI to analyze the data.
Do you have a source for this claim? Because the article literally starts by listing the real people who contributed to this. Edit: also, just conceptually, this is an absurd argument
I don't get it, are you implying everyone who's not a fan of this change is a Google employee?
That's a higher percentage of the population than those who voted for the winning candidate in the last presidential election. I wouldn't say that's comparable to ~15%.
Good point, I didn't see that. I guess I categorized them in the same bucket of 'runs on 128gb machines' Guess Qwen 4 is the one to wait for.
Very curious to see how this compares to Deepseek v4 Flash. I have to assume they wouldn't be releasing this if it was worse.
If only you were able to take your perspective one step farther. Why did he commit suicide?
No, but you failed to comprehend the section of my comment where I mentioned "workarounds [...] are what the existing ad blockers now use"
This is a narrative that MS, Google etc want you to believe. They gutted it for ads. That's what's happening. There are workarounds now, that's what the existing ad block options are. They are heavily kneecapped.
How is this relevant?
Trusting snake oil is a wild choice.
I mean what are these devs doing that they are day-1 updating npm packages still? How many instances of this are required before npm package maintainers learn?