Not really. There’s no honest sense in which quantum mechanics is interpolated from the text of Euclid’s elements, to demonstrate the point with a very extreme example. Many mathematical breakthroughs of the past seem…
It’s all about what “new” means. It is possible to prove something in a very tedious way using preexisting techniques. There have many times in history been new ideas which are not just very impressive applications of…
I’m just going to say this 100 times I guess. Terence Tao has had a very consistent narrative on AI in math for a very long time, at least since 2023. He’s always described it as a surprisingly good tool and has…
You can invent whatever fantasy you like. I hope more honest people will read the letter (from the fields medalists and other endorsers) and consider it on its merits.
> But solving problems is only a tool and proxy for achieving the primary goal of conceptual understanding and insight. Forgetting this in the world of AI may turn the tool against the primary goal.
Mathematicians are not idiots! They’ve been living on the same planet as you for the last few years and everyone in any thinking profession has been debating and coming to terms with reality over the same period. People…
It’s frustrating that this comment is at the top because it, along with lots of the replies it inspired, absolutely misrepresents the actual declaration. The declaration is not making any statements about not using any…
He’s not shell-shocked. He’s had an extremely consistent narrative for years now. You are experiencing a bias where you project your own views onto others, probably because you are not very informed on this.
What’s optimistic or non-optimistic specifically about the machine having a system of mathematics beyond our comprehension within it? Why should we care about that in itself?
Does the same effect happen in a society which rewrites all of its knowledge over and over using AI?
I don’t think this will happen, but it’s possible for humans to adjust our philosophy of mathematics so that we deprioritize “egotistical” (this is a bad word for what I’m going for, but I mean the desire and economic…
You are a coward.
They’re not necessarily claiming the solutions were imminent. The big questions here from a mathematician’s perspective are to what extent these LLM systems are discovering conceptually new ideas compared to merely…
It doesn’t matter what you wish if you are actively working towards causing others to fall into poverty on the idea that you and your family must become absurdly wealthy to survive.
These all read like excuses for being a moral coward.
1) This is not really a strong charge since it hasn’t been done anyway and I don’t think you really expect me to prove a negative. 2) I see no problem here. 3) What is the strongest argument? I’ll double check our…
I have given my reasons. I will try again. You are fundamentally assuming all real concepts are reducible to arbitrary substrates like language. I believe there are real concepts which are not, like qualia. The entire…
I recognize you are probably just trying to win an argument, but what actually matters is that the ecosystem of human mathematics has produced strong results and can continue or not continue to do so depending on how we…
This is not correct. The stated age of the universe is measured relative to the rest frame of the CMB, the standard preferred frame in cosmology. People working at AI labs like yourself should figure out how to stop…
Also I want to mention that the letter is not about AI skepticism, in any direct way at least.
I am not the relevant one with a position on this. I am referring to people who believe this but work at these companies (especially in capability research). I’m reacting to this > I also feel a need to amass retirement…
The website previously said, “What is the role of a mathematician when AI can solve conjectures faster?” but they have removed it, possibly as a result of the letter since it happened after.
I feel people who sell their souls to be in finance or work as corporate attorneys for bad companies deserve criticism, but people who sell their souls to work for an enterprise they themselves believe is at the very…
There is a very active open letter of over 1000 signatures from mathematicians in protest of this event. This event is targeting undergraduates. It previously suggested that math researchers already have no place in…
> You already conceded that.. May apologies, but I intended to convey the opposite when I said this. I’ll read the rest of this comment later. > My position is that there must be something wrong with the idea that a…
Not really. There’s no honest sense in which quantum mechanics is interpolated from the text of Euclid’s elements, to demonstrate the point with a very extreme example. Many mathematical breakthroughs of the past seem…
It’s all about what “new” means. It is possible to prove something in a very tedious way using preexisting techniques. There have many times in history been new ideas which are not just very impressive applications of…
I’m just going to say this 100 times I guess. Terence Tao has had a very consistent narrative on AI in math for a very long time, at least since 2023. He’s always described it as a surprisingly good tool and has…
You can invent whatever fantasy you like. I hope more honest people will read the letter (from the fields medalists and other endorsers) and consider it on its merits.
> But solving problems is only a tool and proxy for achieving the primary goal of conceptual understanding and insight. Forgetting this in the world of AI may turn the tool against the primary goal.
Mathematicians are not idiots! They’ve been living on the same planet as you for the last few years and everyone in any thinking profession has been debating and coming to terms with reality over the same period. People…
It’s frustrating that this comment is at the top because it, along with lots of the replies it inspired, absolutely misrepresents the actual declaration. The declaration is not making any statements about not using any…
He’s not shell-shocked. He’s had an extremely consistent narrative for years now. You are experiencing a bias where you project your own views onto others, probably because you are not very informed on this.
What’s optimistic or non-optimistic specifically about the machine having a system of mathematics beyond our comprehension within it? Why should we care about that in itself?
Does the same effect happen in a society which rewrites all of its knowledge over and over using AI?
I don’t think this will happen, but it’s possible for humans to adjust our philosophy of mathematics so that we deprioritize “egotistical” (this is a bad word for what I’m going for, but I mean the desire and economic…
You are a coward.
They’re not necessarily claiming the solutions were imminent. The big questions here from a mathematician’s perspective are to what extent these LLM systems are discovering conceptually new ideas compared to merely…
It doesn’t matter what you wish if you are actively working towards causing others to fall into poverty on the idea that you and your family must become absurdly wealthy to survive.
These all read like excuses for being a moral coward.
1) This is not really a strong charge since it hasn’t been done anyway and I don’t think you really expect me to prove a negative. 2) I see no problem here. 3) What is the strongest argument? I’ll double check our…
I have given my reasons. I will try again. You are fundamentally assuming all real concepts are reducible to arbitrary substrates like language. I believe there are real concepts which are not, like qualia. The entire…
I recognize you are probably just trying to win an argument, but what actually matters is that the ecosystem of human mathematics has produced strong results and can continue or not continue to do so depending on how we…
This is not correct. The stated age of the universe is measured relative to the rest frame of the CMB, the standard preferred frame in cosmology. People working at AI labs like yourself should figure out how to stop…
Also I want to mention that the letter is not about AI skepticism, in any direct way at least.
I am not the relevant one with a position on this. I am referring to people who believe this but work at these companies (especially in capability research). I’m reacting to this > I also feel a need to amass retirement…
The website previously said, “What is the role of a mathematician when AI can solve conjectures faster?” but they have removed it, possibly as a result of the letter since it happened after.
I feel people who sell their souls to be in finance or work as corporate attorneys for bad companies deserve criticism, but people who sell their souls to work for an enterprise they themselves believe is at the very…
There is a very active open letter of over 1000 signatures from mathematicians in protest of this event. This event is targeting undergraduates. It previously suggested that math researchers already have no place in…
> You already conceded that.. May apologies, but I intended to convey the opposite when I said this. I’ll read the rest of this comment later. > My position is that there must be something wrong with the idea that a…