I've written about it before too :-) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34622514
The things you list that couldn't be implemented in such an environment are a mix of two things, first, things that browsers are specifically designed to _prevent_ a web page from doing, e.g. to avoid leaking privacy,…
FWIW, while I represented Google in the HTML working group (for a few years; it was a complicated relationship), my work on HTML at Google was primarily done via the WHATWG. I was not involved with AMP's development at…
The original blog post was migrated back to my blog when Google+ shut down: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1344621190&count=1
It wouldn't be 50MB. Five maybe. That's not that unusual today already anyway.
*hugs* sorry for my failings
I think my attitude to this stuff evolved after seeing that even with all the work we did with HTML, virtually nobody actually benefits from it. In theory, HTML is device independent. In practice, we can't even get web…
*hugs*
That link is broken, FWIW, the correct link is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1peUSMsvFGvqD5yKh3GprskLC...
> todo examples being submitted [...] Oh I'm sure plenty of that happens, but that's true of all SDKs. Plenty of people do that with Android Views, plenty of people do that with Swift UI, etc. I have no reason to…
> I think the general gist is just the broad question of what can effect flutter funding I mean, I hate to be flippant about it, but honestly the biggest factors in Google's funding of Flutter in the last 5 years have…
> Flutter has a large DevRel push, how many of these projects / users are students who just spin it up once and hit star on GH when asked and never touch it again? I've no idea how to measure that. > Your team was asked…
Hello, Flutter TL here. > your team needs to be more transparent. Unfortunately most of the lack of transparency is not under the Flutter team's control, but I'll see what I can do. > How is Flutter funded? A number of…
It was (and still is) heavily used by Google Ads internally. Dart literally powers the vast majority of Google's income, and has for years.
There's a lot more than one person working on Dart!
https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Issue%20Hygiene describes our policies here.
I mean, I try to use Devtools on other sites, but I haven't really had any real success with that for years. I don't know how many of the rest of the web's ~4 billion users try to use DevTools but I can't imagine it's…
But why would an app that writes to a WebGL canvas be any harder to maintain than an app that uses HTML controls? If anything, it'd be likely to be easier to maintain -- we (the web standards community) are much more…
> What do you think of the loss of opportunities for learning and customization that moving to an opaque system running "in" the web (flutter) implies? Not sure what you really mean. If you mean the loss of "View…
HackerNews uses tables for layout, inline styles, and still forces browsers into quirks mode. Yeah, it can handle slightly bumping up the font size. I can also bump up my font size on Windows, macOS, and Android, and…
> Flash apps were also "true web apps" Not really. They were not portable. NPAPI was not a web standard in any meaningful sense (hint: the first N stood for Netscape). > That's why there has never been a UI toolkit as…
I would have had much less of a problem with Flash if it had been a runtime built with web technologies like that.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "all of that". What I described _is_ the web.
(I was previous editor of the HTML standard for ~10 years, now I'm the Flutter TL) I mean... you're not wrong. But let's be honest, we never managed to really deliver on the web's promise here. It was <table> and <font>…
It doesn't really default to anything. There's a widget for selectable text and a widget for non-selectable text.
I've written about it before too :-) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34622514
The things you list that couldn't be implemented in such an environment are a mix of two things, first, things that browsers are specifically designed to _prevent_ a web page from doing, e.g. to avoid leaking privacy,…
FWIW, while I represented Google in the HTML working group (for a few years; it was a complicated relationship), my work on HTML at Google was primarily done via the WHATWG. I was not involved with AMP's development at…
The original blog post was migrated back to my blog when Google+ shut down: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1344621190&count=1
It wouldn't be 50MB. Five maybe. That's not that unusual today already anyway.
*hugs* sorry for my failings
I think my attitude to this stuff evolved after seeing that even with all the work we did with HTML, virtually nobody actually benefits from it. In theory, HTML is device independent. In practice, we can't even get web…
*hugs*
That link is broken, FWIW, the correct link is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1peUSMsvFGvqD5yKh3GprskLC...
> todo examples being submitted [...] Oh I'm sure plenty of that happens, but that's true of all SDKs. Plenty of people do that with Android Views, plenty of people do that with Swift UI, etc. I have no reason to…
> I think the general gist is just the broad question of what can effect flutter funding I mean, I hate to be flippant about it, but honestly the biggest factors in Google's funding of Flutter in the last 5 years have…
> Flutter has a large DevRel push, how many of these projects / users are students who just spin it up once and hit star on GH when asked and never touch it again? I've no idea how to measure that. > Your team was asked…
Hello, Flutter TL here. > your team needs to be more transparent. Unfortunately most of the lack of transparency is not under the Flutter team's control, but I'll see what I can do. > How is Flutter funded? A number of…
It was (and still is) heavily used by Google Ads internally. Dart literally powers the vast majority of Google's income, and has for years.
There's a lot more than one person working on Dart!
https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Issue%20Hygiene describes our policies here.
I mean, I try to use Devtools on other sites, but I haven't really had any real success with that for years. I don't know how many of the rest of the web's ~4 billion users try to use DevTools but I can't imagine it's…
But why would an app that writes to a WebGL canvas be any harder to maintain than an app that uses HTML controls? If anything, it'd be likely to be easier to maintain -- we (the web standards community) are much more…
> What do you think of the loss of opportunities for learning and customization that moving to an opaque system running "in" the web (flutter) implies? Not sure what you really mean. If you mean the loss of "View…
HackerNews uses tables for layout, inline styles, and still forces browsers into quirks mode. Yeah, it can handle slightly bumping up the font size. I can also bump up my font size on Windows, macOS, and Android, and…
> Flash apps were also "true web apps" Not really. They were not portable. NPAPI was not a web standard in any meaningful sense (hint: the first N stood for Netscape). > That's why there has never been a UI toolkit as…
I would have had much less of a problem with Flash if it had been a runtime built with web technologies like that.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "all of that". What I described _is_ the web.
(I was previous editor of the HTML standard for ~10 years, now I'm the Flutter TL) I mean... you're not wrong. But let's be honest, we never managed to really deliver on the web's promise here. It was <table> and <font>…
It doesn't really default to anything. There's a widget for selectable text and a widget for non-selectable text.