> You can't opt out of the protections and then complain that there are no protections Sometimes you don't have a choice in running software that doesn't use the 'protections' an obscure OS offers. If someone wants to…
It is true. The do surface level protections, but have nothing to really lock down a system. What do they provide that can restrict an attacker who managed to compromise a remote service that wasn't using pledge or…
> I'm damn sure I've never seen a piece of openbsd marketing in my life Kind of weird for you to defend a product if you've never even been to their website.
> aggressively bring in new security features like pf, OpenSSH, W^X enforcement, pledge(), arc4random(), ASLR, so many other things. I'd say OpenSSH is a great tool, arc4random was great and pledge is interesting…
Well, that's where OpenBSD falls short, it lacks facilities to really enforce defense in depth - even NetBSD has some better features in this regard.
Pretty sure you're familiar with their claims.
No one is claiming that, they are at least setting a foundation for that to be possible though.
It's not too late to start now, similar to how Linux did a few years back.
> OpenBSD's security stance being the stuff of legend, More so their marketing.
I know a lot of Russians, but all of them left and are critical. Can't say I know any Russians in Rusia, but papers such as Meduza report on and give interviews with them frequently.
> Heh.. Russia has "elections" too. The 'heh' indicates a misplaced smugness.Our elections actually result in a change in leadership. There is a lot of yammering, but no evidence the US is about to become an actual…
> I can say that about Americans. Eh, you'd be wrong. It's a different issue in the US, half the population believe and vote for nonsense, the other half are strongly against it. > What proof do you have, or do you…
Except most Russians support their government and believe its lies...
Adding back a reply someone deleted because I think it adds to the conversation: > He never made the argument that goto was considered harmful (the title was not his), the letter itself is a solid argument for why the…
I'm in my 40s, wasn't coding in the 70s. Horrible use of code is a different thing from removing something entirely, though. Just that almost every language removed goto as a response is kind of amazing to me.
I honestly never got why in college his opinions were just taken as mandates. I never bough into the "goto considered harmful" argument, for example.
It's just silliness. Judge the code on the merit of the code, not deciding to reject it if you learn it was constructed with the aid of AI.
> Maybe it's also brain damage of using too much Windows (with wsl). But there I have a different problem: It's easy to install and configure stuff, but it's everything else than minimal. You could make your own tiny…
> my computer gave it a red underline so I decided to do that. Why? You were quoting text so it would never be confused for yours anyway.
Which programs can be configured in this way? Something custom you wrote?
That's what I have in my setup, six titlebar buttons: send to other screen, sticky among workspaces and always on top in addition to the base 3. Can't imagine ever using something that gives me less control again.
Agreed. It beats Arch and Void hands down IMO when I was looking for a no fuss simple and minimalist yet up to date and secure system after Slackware lost its way.
> But then you run into the problem of apps assuming the tray icon exists or is visible, but isn't, leading to problems such as the program just disappearing when you close it's window with no way to reopen it (some do…
This is bad news, and exactly the type of viral problem criticics of systemd warned about. Systemd advocates always downplay the issue, but here we are. I love using Alpine, and for the few packages that don't have a…
Apple's ASLR was incomplete and basically trash for a long time, it didn't get proper ASLR until much later.
> You can't opt out of the protections and then complain that there are no protections Sometimes you don't have a choice in running software that doesn't use the 'protections' an obscure OS offers. If someone wants to…
It is true. The do surface level protections, but have nothing to really lock down a system. What do they provide that can restrict an attacker who managed to compromise a remote service that wasn't using pledge or…
> I'm damn sure I've never seen a piece of openbsd marketing in my life Kind of weird for you to defend a product if you've never even been to their website.
> aggressively bring in new security features like pf, OpenSSH, W^X enforcement, pledge(), arc4random(), ASLR, so many other things. I'd say OpenSSH is a great tool, arc4random was great and pledge is interesting…
Well, that's where OpenBSD falls short, it lacks facilities to really enforce defense in depth - even NetBSD has some better features in this regard.
Pretty sure you're familiar with their claims.
No one is claiming that, they are at least setting a foundation for that to be possible though.
It's not too late to start now, similar to how Linux did a few years back.
> OpenBSD's security stance being the stuff of legend, More so their marketing.
I know a lot of Russians, but all of them left and are critical. Can't say I know any Russians in Rusia, but papers such as Meduza report on and give interviews with them frequently.
> Heh.. Russia has "elections" too. The 'heh' indicates a misplaced smugness.Our elections actually result in a change in leadership. There is a lot of yammering, but no evidence the US is about to become an actual…
> I can say that about Americans. Eh, you'd be wrong. It's a different issue in the US, half the population believe and vote for nonsense, the other half are strongly against it. > What proof do you have, or do you…
Except most Russians support their government and believe its lies...
Adding back a reply someone deleted because I think it adds to the conversation: > He never made the argument that goto was considered harmful (the title was not his), the letter itself is a solid argument for why the…
I'm in my 40s, wasn't coding in the 70s. Horrible use of code is a different thing from removing something entirely, though. Just that almost every language removed goto as a response is kind of amazing to me.
I honestly never got why in college his opinions were just taken as mandates. I never bough into the "goto considered harmful" argument, for example.
It's just silliness. Judge the code on the merit of the code, not deciding to reject it if you learn it was constructed with the aid of AI.
> Maybe it's also brain damage of using too much Windows (with wsl). But there I have a different problem: It's easy to install and configure stuff, but it's everything else than minimal. You could make your own tiny…
> my computer gave it a red underline so I decided to do that. Why? You were quoting text so it would never be confused for yours anyway.
Which programs can be configured in this way? Something custom you wrote?
That's what I have in my setup, six titlebar buttons: send to other screen, sticky among workspaces and always on top in addition to the base 3. Can't imagine ever using something that gives me less control again.
Agreed. It beats Arch and Void hands down IMO when I was looking for a no fuss simple and minimalist yet up to date and secure system after Slackware lost its way.
> But then you run into the problem of apps assuming the tray icon exists or is visible, but isn't, leading to problems such as the program just disappearing when you close it's window with no way to reopen it (some do…
This is bad news, and exactly the type of viral problem criticics of systemd warned about. Systemd advocates always downplay the issue, but here we are. I love using Alpine, and for the few packages that don't have a…
Apple's ASLR was incomplete and basically trash for a long time, it didn't get proper ASLR until much later.