The top two comments in this thread agree with the point you just made. This is true of essentially any thread on the subject. If this place sucks, it would have to be because of people like you. If not, you in…
For the love of all that is sacred, please stop doing this. I'm begging you. The whole social media landscape is dying and you are creating a throwaway to participate in ruining this small corner. I assume this is not…
"Permanent underclass" is the notion that people who get involved at the ground floor will essentially get infinite wealth relative to the ones who don't. It's a little goofy, but more of the capitalism you'd expect…
Agreed. There's sort of this spiteful anti-hype here that I find very offputting, and ultimately I think it's because a lot of folks are going out and encountering opinions I never see. I hear wild conspiracy theories…
Ah, this clarifies things. I suppose I brought this on myself by putting it at the start of the sentence, but I do mean little-c cynicism, not the ancient philosophy. I was surprised to be called out on it, as GP is a…
This seems out of line with what you were saying above. Do you mean you would put money on a position less favorable than 50/50? What do you consider the likelihood such that you think you can announce it to be false…
I hate to get bogged down in semantics, but with the hope that one of the stronger top-level critiques makes it into the top slot here and this conversation gets buried: Cynicism is defined as >An attitude of scornful…
Science means the pursuit of knowledge. It doesn't mean "only believing proven things". If we're going to be rude, lets at least take the time to be right.
Nobody argued anything. GP just dismissed it as religion without engaging with a word of the material. Parent is taking a stab at why. Not that I'm complaining. Cynicism is the failure mode I rely on HN for. It's the…
I think you may be overindexing on the criticisms here. OpenAI has absolutely done impressive work in math already, and the criticisms are almost always based on the article that they initially published, usually…
I think, and I may be totally off base, that the labs are specifically avoiding art and (non-technical) writing as an endpoint. It's bad PR for them- it calls attention to the copyright question and threatens the 'human…
Have you heard of ACLU v. Clapper, HLP v. DoJ, Doe v. Ashcroft, or US v. Moalin? Parent acknowledges decades of degradation and points to thorns like these.
The difference is whether you say "thank you" to the government that does (a) or "screw you" to the government that fails to do (b). It's the difference between me not killing you and me granting you the right to be…
Oh, believe me, I've been on the losing side of that issue with you for ages. I absolutely agree it is unethical for anybody to violate anybody's free speech, etc, and that that multiplies with corporate power. But that…
An AI chatbot diagnosed my rolled shoulders. I had assumed I had bad workout form. I would google "discomfort in upper back" or whatever and it would say "back pain after exercise means take a rest" and I would rest and…
That page specifically says the constitution grants rights to the government and reserves the rights of the people. There is a lot in there about the case against the bill of rights, a big part of which is that…
Less biased? Maybe on political questions, etc, but this is a classic NLP task and I expect LLMs to be very reliable here
They phrased it poorly, but from context it seems clear they intend the LLM as a less biased third-party measure of the tone which agrees with their own assessment.
I'm quite sure that LLMs are not one-to-one with our brains. It would at least be surprising if instrumental convergence was that powerful, and, even in that case, they're still not getting hungry or sleepy or having…
>It wouldn't be a bird anymore, but a dysfunctional cyborg with false perceptions. The criticism in the paper is of the architecture of LLMs, isn't it? The paper contends """Text generated by an LM is not grounded in…
A bird doesn't learn gravity or aerodynamics, it has no 'sense of physics'. It has sensory neural activity that a scientist can show is tied to these things, but you could, at least in theory, falsify the entire…
If someone substituted all of your sensory inputs for something else for your entire life, how would you notice? If you wore contacts from birth that made the sky red and earbuds that censored when people said it was…
Fair point, and on its own it would be surprising to learn what "five" means from that sentence alone. But you can extrapolate- across a billion sentences, there will be "the next sentence has five words"s and "this…
I don't think this tone is at all justified. If you think otherwise, I do ask that you point out where I went too far in a comment that I feared was overburdened by caveats and admissions of my own human flaws. "This…
The contention that there is no grounding because the training data is linguistic and thus can only reference a world model is disproven in "This sentence has five words"- there's real, grounded information about what…
The top two comments in this thread agree with the point you just made. This is true of essentially any thread on the subject. If this place sucks, it would have to be because of people like you. If not, you in…
For the love of all that is sacred, please stop doing this. I'm begging you. The whole social media landscape is dying and you are creating a throwaway to participate in ruining this small corner. I assume this is not…
"Permanent underclass" is the notion that people who get involved at the ground floor will essentially get infinite wealth relative to the ones who don't. It's a little goofy, but more of the capitalism you'd expect…
Agreed. There's sort of this spiteful anti-hype here that I find very offputting, and ultimately I think it's because a lot of folks are going out and encountering opinions I never see. I hear wild conspiracy theories…
Ah, this clarifies things. I suppose I brought this on myself by putting it at the start of the sentence, but I do mean little-c cynicism, not the ancient philosophy. I was surprised to be called out on it, as GP is a…
This seems out of line with what you were saying above. Do you mean you would put money on a position less favorable than 50/50? What do you consider the likelihood such that you think you can announce it to be false…
I hate to get bogged down in semantics, but with the hope that one of the stronger top-level critiques makes it into the top slot here and this conversation gets buried: Cynicism is defined as >An attitude of scornful…
Science means the pursuit of knowledge. It doesn't mean "only believing proven things". If we're going to be rude, lets at least take the time to be right.
Nobody argued anything. GP just dismissed it as religion without engaging with a word of the material. Parent is taking a stab at why. Not that I'm complaining. Cynicism is the failure mode I rely on HN for. It's the…
I think you may be overindexing on the criticisms here. OpenAI has absolutely done impressive work in math already, and the criticisms are almost always based on the article that they initially published, usually…
I think, and I may be totally off base, that the labs are specifically avoiding art and (non-technical) writing as an endpoint. It's bad PR for them- it calls attention to the copyright question and threatens the 'human…
Have you heard of ACLU v. Clapper, HLP v. DoJ, Doe v. Ashcroft, or US v. Moalin? Parent acknowledges decades of degradation and points to thorns like these.
The difference is whether you say "thank you" to the government that does (a) or "screw you" to the government that fails to do (b). It's the difference between me not killing you and me granting you the right to be…
Oh, believe me, I've been on the losing side of that issue with you for ages. I absolutely agree it is unethical for anybody to violate anybody's free speech, etc, and that that multiplies with corporate power. But that…
An AI chatbot diagnosed my rolled shoulders. I had assumed I had bad workout form. I would google "discomfort in upper back" or whatever and it would say "back pain after exercise means take a rest" and I would rest and…
That page specifically says the constitution grants rights to the government and reserves the rights of the people. There is a lot in there about the case against the bill of rights, a big part of which is that…
Less biased? Maybe on political questions, etc, but this is a classic NLP task and I expect LLMs to be very reliable here
They phrased it poorly, but from context it seems clear they intend the LLM as a less biased third-party measure of the tone which agrees with their own assessment.
I'm quite sure that LLMs are not one-to-one with our brains. It would at least be surprising if instrumental convergence was that powerful, and, even in that case, they're still not getting hungry or sleepy or having…
>It wouldn't be a bird anymore, but a dysfunctional cyborg with false perceptions. The criticism in the paper is of the architecture of LLMs, isn't it? The paper contends """Text generated by an LM is not grounded in…
A bird doesn't learn gravity or aerodynamics, it has no 'sense of physics'. It has sensory neural activity that a scientist can show is tied to these things, but you could, at least in theory, falsify the entire…
If someone substituted all of your sensory inputs for something else for your entire life, how would you notice? If you wore contacts from birth that made the sky red and earbuds that censored when people said it was…
Fair point, and on its own it would be surprising to learn what "five" means from that sentence alone. But you can extrapolate- across a billion sentences, there will be "the next sentence has five words"s and "this…
I don't think this tone is at all justified. If you think otherwise, I do ask that you point out where I went too far in a comment that I feared was overburdened by caveats and admissions of my own human flaws. "This…
The contention that there is no grounding because the training data is linguistic and thus can only reference a world model is disproven in "This sentence has five words"- there's real, grounded information about what…