> No, it does not stop people from thinking that (and of course that is not what is made illegal). It stops them from publishing and spreading those thoughts, because that is what is actually made illegal No it doesn't…
> Yeah well, or the opposite. No it isn't the opposite. Again the last 2 years has shown me by how government and media have responded to recent events proves it. I have seen rioters burn down a cities in the US and…
I agree. I was playing devil's advocate to an extent. At the time Rails was the first modern MVC framework as we understand it. > Rails was highly productive,the problem is that the concept of the service makes scaling…
It ultimately depends at what scale. I think most people to be fair are talking about building a clone of what was present back in the mid 2000s. You could build a twitter clone that could handle a few hundred users in…
> Small amount? Yes. There is a small amount of these people in the Western world. I would estimate it as less than 1% of the total population. The state and the media want you to believe they are just waiting to crawl…
> That page is what I would definitely not characterize as a proper source Obfuscate the discussion with numbers when it entirely misses the point I was making. So I will spell it out for you. It is totally okay to…
Small bit of additional JS defeats the point of doing it at all. The moment you end up having to go outside one of these things you end up with one problem or another. The fact of the matter is that you will always have…
I am not a fan of these things. Much like big JavaScript frameworks whenever you need to do something outside of the mechanisms they provide things become very difficult very quickly and you still need to use…
> If removing threats of violence is considered censorship, then the word "censorship" has no meaning. Think about it: how does censorship really occur? Do governments cast a magic spell that makes it so that the words…
Unless I am presented with some hard evidence (that isn't from the German state) then I find it hard to believe. It still doesn't justify curtailing individual liberties anyway.
> So can "they" openly say, that they think, you deserve to be robbed and assaulted? Yes > And for the sake of it, let "them" be a famous antifa influencer, so you can expect that other people do as their influencer…
> If you the idea is crap and it proved that it's crap by leading to genocide why would we award it any protection? Lots of communists say that the Soviet Union wasn't "real communism". Yet I never hear the same outcry…
You are advocating for throwing the baby out with the bath water. > It's hard to seriously argue that this wouldn't happen, given Germany's post-WWII history. (Also I'm not sure why you're bringing up the 'last two…
> You don't think, there are limits to the things I should be allowed to say about you? No. The only concession I would consider is a call to violence if there is an real and immediate threat. Not internet death…
> Do you really want people to stereotype all Germans as Nazis and Holocaust deniers? Because I'm pretty sure this is what would end up happening if the German government did not go to the trouble of explicitly banning…
So you don't know?
> It's ok because the thoughts they ban are not novel, they had their time and were thoroughly executed on. "Because it is not new it is okay". Sorry that isn't very convincing. The issue is that if you ban one set of…
> Yeah, like "all jews should be killed". Good thing. Do you think it stops them from thinking that? Because you made is illegal. It doesn't. > It prevents such things from being normalized and makes it harder for them…
So you are saying that the laws in place haven't worked?
So you aren't allowed to speak freely and they are controlling what people can and can't wear? So they do deny freedom of speech and freedom of expression to people that the government doesn't like (in this case…
> It’s not the American way but I’m quite ok with Germany doing this. Why? Germany has literally criminalised thinking the wrong things and denies people to associate freely based on the things that they happen to…
Maybe. I get your point. I saw the clip of her on Bill Marr's show that has been floating around. She has pushed back when it was safe to do so. The tide was already turning on that.
It has been in a nose dive for "everyday" people. But there is a whole section of society where they are treated as minor celebrities. The number of those people are shrinking (thankfully) but they are sizable enough…
> This seems to be only about writing jobs. I don't think of those as "high status" apart from the wages, but maybe I'm alone here. You and I don't think of them as high status. However there is a proportion of people…
> No, it does not stop people from thinking that (and of course that is not what is made illegal). It stops them from publishing and spreading those thoughts, because that is what is actually made illegal No it doesn't…
> Yeah well, or the opposite. No it isn't the opposite. Again the last 2 years has shown me by how government and media have responded to recent events proves it. I have seen rioters burn down a cities in the US and…
I agree. I was playing devil's advocate to an extent. At the time Rails was the first modern MVC framework as we understand it. > Rails was highly productive,the problem is that the concept of the service makes scaling…
It ultimately depends at what scale. I think most people to be fair are talking about building a clone of what was present back in the mid 2000s. You could build a twitter clone that could handle a few hundred users in…
> Small amount? Yes. There is a small amount of these people in the Western world. I would estimate it as less than 1% of the total population. The state and the media want you to believe they are just waiting to crawl…
> That page is what I would definitely not characterize as a proper source Obfuscate the discussion with numbers when it entirely misses the point I was making. So I will spell it out for you. It is totally okay to…
Small bit of additional JS defeats the point of doing it at all. The moment you end up having to go outside one of these things you end up with one problem or another. The fact of the matter is that you will always have…
I am not a fan of these things. Much like big JavaScript frameworks whenever you need to do something outside of the mechanisms they provide things become very difficult very quickly and you still need to use…
> If removing threats of violence is considered censorship, then the word "censorship" has no meaning. Think about it: how does censorship really occur? Do governments cast a magic spell that makes it so that the words…
Unless I am presented with some hard evidence (that isn't from the German state) then I find it hard to believe. It still doesn't justify curtailing individual liberties anyway.
> So can "they" openly say, that they think, you deserve to be robbed and assaulted? Yes > And for the sake of it, let "them" be a famous antifa influencer, so you can expect that other people do as their influencer…
> If you the idea is crap and it proved that it's crap by leading to genocide why would we award it any protection? Lots of communists say that the Soviet Union wasn't "real communism". Yet I never hear the same outcry…
You are advocating for throwing the baby out with the bath water. > It's hard to seriously argue that this wouldn't happen, given Germany's post-WWII history. (Also I'm not sure why you're bringing up the 'last two…
> You don't think, there are limits to the things I should be allowed to say about you? No. The only concession I would consider is a call to violence if there is an real and immediate threat. Not internet death…
> Do you really want people to stereotype all Germans as Nazis and Holocaust deniers? Because I'm pretty sure this is what would end up happening if the German government did not go to the trouble of explicitly banning…
So you don't know?
> It's ok because the thoughts they ban are not novel, they had their time and were thoroughly executed on. "Because it is not new it is okay". Sorry that isn't very convincing. The issue is that if you ban one set of…
> Yeah, like "all jews should be killed". Good thing. Do you think it stops them from thinking that? Because you made is illegal. It doesn't. > It prevents such things from being normalized and makes it harder for them…
So you are saying that the laws in place haven't worked?
So you aren't allowed to speak freely and they are controlling what people can and can't wear? So they do deny freedom of speech and freedom of expression to people that the government doesn't like (in this case…
> It’s not the American way but I’m quite ok with Germany doing this. Why? Germany has literally criminalised thinking the wrong things and denies people to associate freely based on the things that they happen to…
Maybe. I get your point. I saw the clip of her on Bill Marr's show that has been floating around. She has pushed back when it was safe to do so. The tide was already turning on that.
It has been in a nose dive for "everyday" people. But there is a whole section of society where they are treated as minor celebrities. The number of those people are shrinking (thankfully) but they are sizable enough…
> This seems to be only about writing jobs. I don't think of those as "high status" apart from the wages, but maybe I'm alone here. You and I don't think of them as high status. However there is a proportion of people…