> In the case of GNOME it is not apathy towards choice but corporate backing. That's what it looks like to me as well but whenever this is asserted, GNOME folks are quick to point out that they are understaffed and…
> There is no reasonable argument to make for a Chromium only web from anyone without vested interests. It could be just apathy towards choice. I've observed this behavior among GNOME advocates as well. Some of them…
> It could be any DE, even a newly created one. Like I said earlier, > but I don't appreciate when people call everything else besides GNOME (or *anything really*) as fragmentation. The idea of "one agreed upon blessed…
> just that the defaults should be stronger Agreed. > GNOME has made great advancements in this regard, which has been awesome to see. I wasn't joking or being hyperbolic in my previous post. GNOME may have good…
Yes, let's search for the One True Font, One True Theme, and Unicorns while we're at it. Oh, let's also pretend that we'll give users a choice. Well, technically, we will but we will make it "unsupported" and call it a…
Good job misleading everyone and painting a rosy picture of India because yay, nationalism. There is a data cap on broadband. It's called "commercial usage terms" and it defines a data cap of 3.3TB a month often written…
> I have the same problem with some apps and I want you to find a solution but I don't understand what this has to do with GTK. I didn't say that it was a problem with GTK. I said that it's a problem in the dark version…
> This is trying to paint someone as being stubborn here after they already changed their mind I just pointed it out because as I said, this behaviour is fairly common on the GNOME issue tracker. There are numerous…
> As a KDE user i have to download hundreds of MBs of dependencies just to use one GNOME app which is why I later clarified that I think that development of apps like qBittorrent is mostly dead. They work well across…
> ...Changing the default fonts is definitely supported. Not for the GNOME shell, unless you're editing the relevant CSS files in /usr/share/themes or installing themes that do so. And if you do end up doing that, you…
> Libadwaita is the library you use when you're targetting GNOME. > If you want to target something other than GNOME, you don't want to use libadwaita. Does GTK4 provide any viable model of development if one doesn't…
Is that high contrast mode, their dark mode colors, and their font choice supposed to work for everyone?
With the advent of libadwaita, GTK really is GNOME toolkit. Most advocates are really deceptive when they talk about this and say GTK4 is agnostic to platforms but I haven't come across a single non-trivial GTK4 app…
Ah yes, the "every preference has a cost" philosophy which leads people into deciding things like that everyone on Earth is ok with a One True Colorscheme (Adwaita) and a One True Font (Cantarell). People who suffer…
Of the top of my head, people who are working on Android UX and the GNOME desktop environment.
Enjoy using a music player which doesn't have volume control and a file picker which doesn't have thumbnails. I guess you feel that you don't need those features because "tinkering is just a pain in the ass now".
> Their own screenshot tool does not adhere to the same workflow, so maybe they are blind to the issue. Which isn't surprising, in the least. I agree with aidenn0, if you're using a custom screenshot tool, you're not…
> Linux has never been about choice. There was choice because no two people could agree on a set of protocols and standards. And slowly we're converging on a small set of decent (not perfect!) ideas volunteers can focus…
> Yes, you should also remember that when using third-party KDE themes like qt5ct, or hidden KDE settings I don't have much skin in the game to be honest because I've given up on using any GUI apps on Linux wherever…
Interesting, I'll remember this the next time someone tells me to just use GNOME Tweak Tool to use Emacs keybindings or change the theme or keyboard shortcuts because they're unsupported features and maybe disabled…
> there isn't a reality where this does whatever you want I wish something called user choice and configuration options existed in this reality.
> The tweak tool method was also an unsupported third-party thing with most of the same limitations. Interesting, so what was and is the supported first party method to change themes and set keyboard shortcuts and use…
> Well you can also use any theme you want on GNOME apps, libadwaita didn't break that Happy to correct myself but unless there's a supported way to change themes for libadwaita apps using GNOME tweak tool or something…
> BTW for an example, here is what the KDE system settings looks like for me when I try to run it using qt5ct in GNOME: https://i.imgur.com/pxEKXye.png I don't get why you'd want to run KDE system settings outside KDE.…
> Your use case seems to be unusual, an old FAQ entry suggests that i3wm users prefer text-based file managers: This is an old NAS that I don't really use much. It's true though, I've mostly stopped using GUI apps on my…
> In the case of GNOME it is not apathy towards choice but corporate backing. That's what it looks like to me as well but whenever this is asserted, GNOME folks are quick to point out that they are understaffed and…
> There is no reasonable argument to make for a Chromium only web from anyone without vested interests. It could be just apathy towards choice. I've observed this behavior among GNOME advocates as well. Some of them…
> It could be any DE, even a newly created one. Like I said earlier, > but I don't appreciate when people call everything else besides GNOME (or *anything really*) as fragmentation. The idea of "one agreed upon blessed…
> just that the defaults should be stronger Agreed. > GNOME has made great advancements in this regard, which has been awesome to see. I wasn't joking or being hyperbolic in my previous post. GNOME may have good…
Yes, let's search for the One True Font, One True Theme, and Unicorns while we're at it. Oh, let's also pretend that we'll give users a choice. Well, technically, we will but we will make it "unsupported" and call it a…
Good job misleading everyone and painting a rosy picture of India because yay, nationalism. There is a data cap on broadband. It's called "commercial usage terms" and it defines a data cap of 3.3TB a month often written…
> I have the same problem with some apps and I want you to find a solution but I don't understand what this has to do with GTK. I didn't say that it was a problem with GTK. I said that it's a problem in the dark version…
> This is trying to paint someone as being stubborn here after they already changed their mind I just pointed it out because as I said, this behaviour is fairly common on the GNOME issue tracker. There are numerous…
> As a KDE user i have to download hundreds of MBs of dependencies just to use one GNOME app which is why I later clarified that I think that development of apps like qBittorrent is mostly dead. They work well across…
> ...Changing the default fonts is definitely supported. Not for the GNOME shell, unless you're editing the relevant CSS files in /usr/share/themes or installing themes that do so. And if you do end up doing that, you…
> Libadwaita is the library you use when you're targetting GNOME. > If you want to target something other than GNOME, you don't want to use libadwaita. Does GTK4 provide any viable model of development if one doesn't…
Is that high contrast mode, their dark mode colors, and their font choice supposed to work for everyone?
With the advent of libadwaita, GTK really is GNOME toolkit. Most advocates are really deceptive when they talk about this and say GTK4 is agnostic to platforms but I haven't come across a single non-trivial GTK4 app…
Ah yes, the "every preference has a cost" philosophy which leads people into deciding things like that everyone on Earth is ok with a One True Colorscheme (Adwaita) and a One True Font (Cantarell). People who suffer…
Of the top of my head, people who are working on Android UX and the GNOME desktop environment.
Enjoy using a music player which doesn't have volume control and a file picker which doesn't have thumbnails. I guess you feel that you don't need those features because "tinkering is just a pain in the ass now".
> Their own screenshot tool does not adhere to the same workflow, so maybe they are blind to the issue. Which isn't surprising, in the least. I agree with aidenn0, if you're using a custom screenshot tool, you're not…
> Linux has never been about choice. There was choice because no two people could agree on a set of protocols and standards. And slowly we're converging on a small set of decent (not perfect!) ideas volunteers can focus…
> Yes, you should also remember that when using third-party KDE themes like qt5ct, or hidden KDE settings I don't have much skin in the game to be honest because I've given up on using any GUI apps on Linux wherever…
Interesting, I'll remember this the next time someone tells me to just use GNOME Tweak Tool to use Emacs keybindings or change the theme or keyboard shortcuts because they're unsupported features and maybe disabled…
> there isn't a reality where this does whatever you want I wish something called user choice and configuration options existed in this reality.
> The tweak tool method was also an unsupported third-party thing with most of the same limitations. Interesting, so what was and is the supported first party method to change themes and set keyboard shortcuts and use…
> Well you can also use any theme you want on GNOME apps, libadwaita didn't break that Happy to correct myself but unless there's a supported way to change themes for libadwaita apps using GNOME tweak tool or something…
> BTW for an example, here is what the KDE system settings looks like for me when I try to run it using qt5ct in GNOME: https://i.imgur.com/pxEKXye.png I don't get why you'd want to run KDE system settings outside KDE.…
> Your use case seems to be unusual, an old FAQ entry suggests that i3wm users prefer text-based file managers: This is an old NAS that I don't really use much. It's true though, I've mostly stopped using GUI apps on my…