You’re trying to make a logical argument from first principles about a complex, dynamic and ultimately social system that admits no such argument.
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I wouldn’t say the pessimists fall into that category. In my experience they are mostly the subset of engineers who enjoyed coding in and of itself and ——in some cases—— without concern for the end product.
I think GP was a joke about the ability of a typical programmer. I certainly read it as one and found it funny.
The article doesn’t present any hypotheses regarding this, and I suspect we simply don’t know yet. But if true presumably it’s one of the usual reasons for observing data with low likelihood according to a model:…
The rebuttal to this would be that you can do many such tasks in parallel. I’m not sure it’s really true in practice yet, but that would certainly be the claim.
I’m unsure exactly in what way you believe it has gone “down the hill” so this isn’t aimed at you specifically but more a general pattern I see. That pattern is people complaining that a particular model has degraded in…
> If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions and algorithms, you're exactly the kind of programmer AI will replace.…
More to the point: is randomness of representation or implementation an inherent issue if the desired semantics of a program are still obeyed? This is not really a point about whether LLMs can currently be used as…
Correct… reading code is a much more difficult and ultimately, productive, task. I suspect those using the tools in the best way are thinking harder than ever for this reason.
My advice: keep it on a tight leash. In the happy case where I have a good idea of the changes necessary, I will ask it to do small things, step by step, and examine what it does and commit. In the unhappy case where…
> They are prone to nervous breakdown, social withdrawal, and anxiety if anyone within earshot goes outside of the guard rails for acceptable speech. I say this with sincerity: I have met precisely zero young people who…
I’m trying to figure out if you’re asking a leading question and if so, in which direction…
We could make the distinction between price discovery, i.e. what price are people currently willing to buy and sell at (short-term) vs value discovery (long-term).
Perhaps the best source would now be the statistics of LLM queries, if they were available. Edit: I see they raise this point at length themselves in TFA.
I’d go further than the other reply: not only do those first two things definitely exist, they probably represent the plurality of programming tasks.
I assume the original reply was addressing the “never” in this specific point: “The fact is most ordinary mortals never get access to a fraction of that kind of power”
The most obvious difference (and one worth much more than $10 to me) is that one is native and the other is not.
I am also constantly astonished. That said, observing attempts by skeptics to “unsuccessfully” prompt an LLM have been illuminating. My reaction is usually either: - I would never have asked that kind of question in the…
Perhaps you could fill in a few of the details for us?
I’m not sure how this relates to the point raised.
I agree. In my view many of these small regions (that blend into one another) could be combined to give a much more useful map with more sharply distinct accents. Such a map may be less precise, but far more useful to…
I assume PaulDavidThe1st was asking for one which actually supported the assertion.
In the U.K. I remember it being a novelty flavour for a brief period in the 90s. I’ve not seen or heard of the idea since then, although this may reflect my own consumer preferences.
100% correct, but there are ways to push Bayesian inference back a step to justify this sort of thing. It of course makes the problem even more complex and likely requires further approximations to computing the…
You’re trying to make a logical argument from first principles about a complex, dynamic and ultimately social system that admits no such argument.
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I wouldn’t say the pessimists fall into that category. In my experience they are mostly the subset of engineers who enjoyed coding in and of itself and ——in some cases—— without concern for the end product.
I think GP was a joke about the ability of a typical programmer. I certainly read it as one and found it funny.
The article doesn’t present any hypotheses regarding this, and I suspect we simply don’t know yet. But if true presumably it’s one of the usual reasons for observing data with low likelihood according to a model:…
The rebuttal to this would be that you can do many such tasks in parallel. I’m not sure it’s really true in practice yet, but that would certainly be the claim.
I’m unsure exactly in what way you believe it has gone “down the hill” so this isn’t aimed at you specifically but more a general pattern I see. That pattern is people complaining that a particular model has degraded in…
> If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions and algorithms, you're exactly the kind of programmer AI will replace.…
More to the point: is randomness of representation or implementation an inherent issue if the desired semantics of a program are still obeyed? This is not really a point about whether LLMs can currently be used as…
Correct… reading code is a much more difficult and ultimately, productive, task. I suspect those using the tools in the best way are thinking harder than ever for this reason.
My advice: keep it on a tight leash. In the happy case where I have a good idea of the changes necessary, I will ask it to do small things, step by step, and examine what it does and commit. In the unhappy case where…
> They are prone to nervous breakdown, social withdrawal, and anxiety if anyone within earshot goes outside of the guard rails for acceptable speech. I say this with sincerity: I have met precisely zero young people who…
I’m trying to figure out if you’re asking a leading question and if so, in which direction…
We could make the distinction between price discovery, i.e. what price are people currently willing to buy and sell at (short-term) vs value discovery (long-term).
Perhaps the best source would now be the statistics of LLM queries, if they were available. Edit: I see they raise this point at length themselves in TFA.
I’d go further than the other reply: not only do those first two things definitely exist, they probably represent the plurality of programming tasks.
I assume the original reply was addressing the “never” in this specific point: “The fact is most ordinary mortals never get access to a fraction of that kind of power”
The most obvious difference (and one worth much more than $10 to me) is that one is native and the other is not.
I am also constantly astonished. That said, observing attempts by skeptics to “unsuccessfully” prompt an LLM have been illuminating. My reaction is usually either: - I would never have asked that kind of question in the…
Perhaps you could fill in a few of the details for us?
I’m not sure how this relates to the point raised.
I agree. In my view many of these small regions (that blend into one another) could be combined to give a much more useful map with more sharply distinct accents. Such a map may be less precise, but far more useful to…
I assume PaulDavidThe1st was asking for one which actually supported the assertion.
In the U.K. I remember it being a novelty flavour for a brief period in the 90s. I’ve not seen or heard of the idea since then, although this may reflect my own consumer preferences.
100% correct, but there are ways to push Bayesian inference back a step to justify this sort of thing. It of course makes the problem even more complex and likely requires further approximations to computing the…