You inserted the "all", I did not write "they fire all the young people". It's also just an example. It is also not a given that young people will have it easier to find a new job. Youth unemployment is at staggering…
Exactly how a discussion with a Marxist is expected to go down, just invent random concepts and twist the meaning of words until a discussion becomes impossible I prefer to stick to physics, rather than those arbitrary…
Again, it is a fake distinction. Suppose you had a robot. Would that robot be labor or capital? Assume the robot has the same capability for work as you. At the end of the day it is a machine, so "capital". Likewise you…
That's nonsense. In your terms then, just let everybody be self-employed and contract them, rather than employ them. That's the same result I want, that people are responsible for themselves and making a contract with…
Somebody doing your kitchen doesn't have to be employed by somebody else. They can simply have a contract with you. You pay them x in exchange for them going y in your kitchen. Of course they can have opinions or refuse…
No matter what revenue they generate, I find it hard to argue that a janitor at Google deserves more than a janitor somewhere else. Presumably they are all doing the same kind of work. Doesn't mean Google shouldn't pay…
Don't you notice that you contradict yourself? You claim they don't decide who gets fired, and in the next paragraph you explain that they will get younger people fired, because they are presumed to have an easier time…
As long as they get no special rights to form their unions, fine. In my country, unions get special protections by law, which is not OK. If workers simply choose to monopolize, of course they can do that. Of course laws…
Capital and labor is a fake distinction. Your body/capability to work is capital.
"Wishing them away won't have any effect." Laws and social constructs can be changed. As for health insurance (as an example), how do you justify giving health insurance to employees, but not to other people, like…
Why do I lose that right? Back to the example of your kitchen: you hire somebody to redo your kitchen. Why would they have a say in how you want to have your kitchen redone? If you work for a company and you feel they…
Sure, management can be shit, but then the company should simply go to ruins. Likewise, employee decisions can be bad, too. It's mostly magical thinking to assume with unionized employees there will be better decision…
There aren't any.
"everyone has to play the optimization game as much as the most optimal are optimizing, otherwise they're 'losing' in our economic system, relatively speaking." If a person is happy with their salary, are they really…
"That same business ate years of my life keeping it afloat" Presumably you were paid for your services. If you were unhappy with the pay, you should have renegotiated or changed jobs.
It's still a social construct - all the laws, even nations, are social constructs. I'm saying there should be no special benefits for employees.
If your boss suffers no consequences if you leave, then your job is superfluous and you should leave, or your boss should be allowed to fire you. Exercising one's power - sure, employees can do that, and I support that.…
The "they will work harder" argument is bullshit. If that would apply, companies giving their employees more say and shares would be more successful, and drive away the others, all without the need to form unions. I…
As for democracy - because companies are somebody's property. Do you demand democracy in your home? That is, can I decide on a new wall color in your kitchen? I vote for you to paint your kitchen pink, how about that?…
"authoritarians" - is that what they call entrepreneurs these days? Personally I think the category "employee" should be forbidden. It is a pure social construct. Why is anybody entitled to be an "employee" and bitch…
If it is not entitlement, it is greed. I don't say greed is wrong or should be forbidden, just that they should be honest about it.
Just call it what it is, greed. Why is it greedy if company owners want to make money, but "good and social" if workers want to make money? I don't think the "earnings per employee" metric entitles employees to anything.
Here in Germany unions (in tech) will for example make sure that older employees can't be fired, so the younger employees will be fired instead. So I don't think you can simply claim they are beneficial for everybody.
What's boring is your inability to understand an argument or logic. It's not me who is exhibiting racism here. Again, feeling like a victim because of skin color or sex of people surrounding you is obviously racist or…
You are not a victim if you are the only non-white person in a room or the only woman at a conference. It's absurd to make a connection to "victim blaming" here. Noticing such quotas as such is of course not racist or…
You inserted the "all", I did not write "they fire all the young people". It's also just an example. It is also not a given that young people will have it easier to find a new job. Youth unemployment is at staggering…
Exactly how a discussion with a Marxist is expected to go down, just invent random concepts and twist the meaning of words until a discussion becomes impossible I prefer to stick to physics, rather than those arbitrary…
Again, it is a fake distinction. Suppose you had a robot. Would that robot be labor or capital? Assume the robot has the same capability for work as you. At the end of the day it is a machine, so "capital". Likewise you…
That's nonsense. In your terms then, just let everybody be self-employed and contract them, rather than employ them. That's the same result I want, that people are responsible for themselves and making a contract with…
Somebody doing your kitchen doesn't have to be employed by somebody else. They can simply have a contract with you. You pay them x in exchange for them going y in your kitchen. Of course they can have opinions or refuse…
No matter what revenue they generate, I find it hard to argue that a janitor at Google deserves more than a janitor somewhere else. Presumably they are all doing the same kind of work. Doesn't mean Google shouldn't pay…
Don't you notice that you contradict yourself? You claim they don't decide who gets fired, and in the next paragraph you explain that they will get younger people fired, because they are presumed to have an easier time…
As long as they get no special rights to form their unions, fine. In my country, unions get special protections by law, which is not OK. If workers simply choose to monopolize, of course they can do that. Of course laws…
Capital and labor is a fake distinction. Your body/capability to work is capital.
"Wishing them away won't have any effect." Laws and social constructs can be changed. As for health insurance (as an example), how do you justify giving health insurance to employees, but not to other people, like…
Why do I lose that right? Back to the example of your kitchen: you hire somebody to redo your kitchen. Why would they have a say in how you want to have your kitchen redone? If you work for a company and you feel they…
Sure, management can be shit, but then the company should simply go to ruins. Likewise, employee decisions can be bad, too. It's mostly magical thinking to assume with unionized employees there will be better decision…
There aren't any.
"everyone has to play the optimization game as much as the most optimal are optimizing, otherwise they're 'losing' in our economic system, relatively speaking." If a person is happy with their salary, are they really…
"That same business ate years of my life keeping it afloat" Presumably you were paid for your services. If you were unhappy with the pay, you should have renegotiated or changed jobs.
It's still a social construct - all the laws, even nations, are social constructs. I'm saying there should be no special benefits for employees.
If your boss suffers no consequences if you leave, then your job is superfluous and you should leave, or your boss should be allowed to fire you. Exercising one's power - sure, employees can do that, and I support that.…
The "they will work harder" argument is bullshit. If that would apply, companies giving their employees more say and shares would be more successful, and drive away the others, all without the need to form unions. I…
As for democracy - because companies are somebody's property. Do you demand democracy in your home? That is, can I decide on a new wall color in your kitchen? I vote for you to paint your kitchen pink, how about that?…
"authoritarians" - is that what they call entrepreneurs these days? Personally I think the category "employee" should be forbidden. It is a pure social construct. Why is anybody entitled to be an "employee" and bitch…
If it is not entitlement, it is greed. I don't say greed is wrong or should be forbidden, just that they should be honest about it.
Just call it what it is, greed. Why is it greedy if company owners want to make money, but "good and social" if workers want to make money? I don't think the "earnings per employee" metric entitles employees to anything.
Here in Germany unions (in tech) will for example make sure that older employees can't be fired, so the younger employees will be fired instead. So I don't think you can simply claim they are beneficial for everybody.
What's boring is your inability to understand an argument or logic. It's not me who is exhibiting racism here. Again, feeling like a victim because of skin color or sex of people surrounding you is obviously racist or…
You are not a victim if you are the only non-white person in a room or the only woman at a conference. It's absurd to make a connection to "victim blaming" here. Noticing such quotas as such is of course not racist or…