Also wanted to add the famous quote attributed to Goering at Nuremberg. https://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/war_goering.html "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who…
Italy also counts natural infection as well according to the article you linked. https://italygreenpass.com/how-do-i-get-a-green-pass-for-tra... >Italian citizens and permanent residents can get a super green pass when…
Ok... but that mostly just seems like Germany. At least the stereotype of Germany is that all the rules are very strict and it's very important to follow them. From "What makes Germans so orderly?"…
>[Scott #111] I would never object to anyone speculating about such fun things! The one part that I do object to, is people passing over the metaphysical enormity of what needs to be presupposed in such a discussion, as…
Interesting clarification Aaronson makes here: Will Says: Comment #9 December 2nd, 2022 at 7:26 pm Hi Scott, I think I must be missing something in your argument. If “A foofs B” has a dual description “C blebs D”, and…
Ah ok, so Australia, UK, Spain, Italy, Poland. Not the U.S. though right? I guess Europeans had a much stricter lockdown. You're right though, I genuinely didn't know it was so strict in Europe and Australia.
They do address this in the article (albeit in a flowery way): >Surprisingly, despite the skeletal simplicity of their wormhole, the researchers detected a second signature of wormhole dynamics, a delicate pattern in…
I disagree with your suggestion that diplomacy is necessarily a form of submission. Peace can still be made while maintaining a position of strength. For example, U.S.-Soviet relations.
Where in the West were there actual curfews? In the U.S. I don't remember there being any; just some talk about potentially quarantining NYC which of course never actually happened.
I always thought starting with CSAM was just a convenient pretext for slowly introducing surveillance tech in the U.S. #1-#7 are all bad. I don't think saying "some aspects of [bad thing] aren't so bad" is an effective…
Why do you think you can trust the hardware? What about E911, etc.?
>who is purchasing art Mostly money launderers, I've heard. >we won't be killed off by AGI because humans don't have malicious intent I wouldn't say malice is necessary. It's just economics. Humans are lazy, inefficient…
I agree. TikTok going down wouldn't be the end of the world. But there is so much other reliance on Chinese manufacturing in the West: electronics, furniture, machinery, etc.…
It goes back into at least the 80s as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
Just pointing that all software is exploitable. And punishing the application developer might not be right if the vulnerability is caused by a lower level dependency. For example, log4j. I agree if there's a high social…
> enforcement of security vulnerability should be by law I think whether there "should" be a law making you liable could depend on the details of the exploit. If you get exploited via rowhammer, I don't think anyone…
4) If computers get good enough at 1) or 2), then there'd be much bigger problems, and essentially all humans will become the starving artists. Also, I'm not so sure that language models like SD, Imagen, GPT-3, PaLM are…
These board games are models of real human problems. And these reasoning and tree searching tasks are very general, and humans perform these very often in work and in personal life. I agree that these specific models…
Yeah, [edit: I doubt this]. I have a degree in math and cs. It sounds like parent comment doesn't really know analysis. The exercises in Rudin 1 are way harder than memorizing some rules to evaluate integrals. [Edit: at…
A big portion of the comp especially at higher levels is in stock grants... and Meta stock just dropped 75% in value this year. These grants are valued at the market price at time of hire (or refresh). So maybe pre-2022…
Not yet though. In the future, for sure. My point is that Napster-to-SD is not a fair comparison. Napster didn't eliminate or replace human artists, while SD certainly did. Therefore, it's not fair to assume the…
>OpenAI thought that nobody else could afford to train a U-Net on CLIP at their scale and give it away for free. I'm surprised here; I thought it only cost like $600k to train SDv1.4. Plenty of wall street folks and…
The difference between music and AI art is that music is still made by humans. The music industry currently has a monopoly on producing new music, so of course they have leverage to get paid for that new music.
Want to add, I understand the debate is also around the revenue loss in the commission/fanart/online art scene. But from having looked at lots of these over the years, I'd still argue the same thing: that IMO the really…
The question now is what value can (human) artists bring besides merely producing images of a certain subject in a certain style. Software has clearly just solved that problem, although the buildup was the last 10-20…
Also wanted to add the famous quote attributed to Goering at Nuremberg. https://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/war_goering.html "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who…
Italy also counts natural infection as well according to the article you linked. https://italygreenpass.com/how-do-i-get-a-green-pass-for-tra... >Italian citizens and permanent residents can get a super green pass when…
Ok... but that mostly just seems like Germany. At least the stereotype of Germany is that all the rules are very strict and it's very important to follow them. From "What makes Germans so orderly?"…
>[Scott #111] I would never object to anyone speculating about such fun things! The one part that I do object to, is people passing over the metaphysical enormity of what needs to be presupposed in such a discussion, as…
Interesting clarification Aaronson makes here: Will Says: Comment #9 December 2nd, 2022 at 7:26 pm Hi Scott, I think I must be missing something in your argument. If “A foofs B” has a dual description “C blebs D”, and…
Ah ok, so Australia, UK, Spain, Italy, Poland. Not the U.S. though right? I guess Europeans had a much stricter lockdown. You're right though, I genuinely didn't know it was so strict in Europe and Australia.
They do address this in the article (albeit in a flowery way): >Surprisingly, despite the skeletal simplicity of their wormhole, the researchers detected a second signature of wormhole dynamics, a delicate pattern in…
I disagree with your suggestion that diplomacy is necessarily a form of submission. Peace can still be made while maintaining a position of strength. For example, U.S.-Soviet relations.
Where in the West were there actual curfews? In the U.S. I don't remember there being any; just some talk about potentially quarantining NYC which of course never actually happened.
I always thought starting with CSAM was just a convenient pretext for slowly introducing surveillance tech in the U.S. #1-#7 are all bad. I don't think saying "some aspects of [bad thing] aren't so bad" is an effective…
Why do you think you can trust the hardware? What about E911, etc.?
>who is purchasing art Mostly money launderers, I've heard. >we won't be killed off by AGI because humans don't have malicious intent I wouldn't say malice is necessary. It's just economics. Humans are lazy, inefficient…
I agree. TikTok going down wouldn't be the end of the world. But there is so much other reliance on Chinese manufacturing in the West: electronics, furniture, machinery, etc.…
It goes back into at least the 80s as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
Just pointing that all software is exploitable. And punishing the application developer might not be right if the vulnerability is caused by a lower level dependency. For example, log4j. I agree if there's a high social…
> enforcement of security vulnerability should be by law I think whether there "should" be a law making you liable could depend on the details of the exploit. If you get exploited via rowhammer, I don't think anyone…
4) If computers get good enough at 1) or 2), then there'd be much bigger problems, and essentially all humans will become the starving artists. Also, I'm not so sure that language models like SD, Imagen, GPT-3, PaLM are…
These board games are models of real human problems. And these reasoning and tree searching tasks are very general, and humans perform these very often in work and in personal life. I agree that these specific models…
Yeah, [edit: I doubt this]. I have a degree in math and cs. It sounds like parent comment doesn't really know analysis. The exercises in Rudin 1 are way harder than memorizing some rules to evaluate integrals. [Edit: at…
A big portion of the comp especially at higher levels is in stock grants... and Meta stock just dropped 75% in value this year. These grants are valued at the market price at time of hire (or refresh). So maybe pre-2022…
Not yet though. In the future, for sure. My point is that Napster-to-SD is not a fair comparison. Napster didn't eliminate or replace human artists, while SD certainly did. Therefore, it's not fair to assume the…
>OpenAI thought that nobody else could afford to train a U-Net on CLIP at their scale and give it away for free. I'm surprised here; I thought it only cost like $600k to train SDv1.4. Plenty of wall street folks and…
The difference between music and AI art is that music is still made by humans. The music industry currently has a monopoly on producing new music, so of course they have leverage to get paid for that new music.
Want to add, I understand the debate is also around the revenue loss in the commission/fanart/online art scene. But from having looked at lots of these over the years, I'd still argue the same thing: that IMO the really…
The question now is what value can (human) artists bring besides merely producing images of a certain subject in a certain style. Software has clearly just solved that problem, although the buildup was the last 10-20…