No, his cognitive dissonance is that he claims to only want the word marriage for the rights, ignoring they are already present. He then claims the because the rights aren't present, co-opting the word marriage is ok,…
Those contracts and benefits were already present and available under a domestic partnership. Prop-8 merely wanted marriage to remain between a man and a women (in the legal sense, in all reality, some scummy shit came…
This is true, marriage in one state does not have to be recognized in another, or even federally. California amending it's marriage laws does not solve "dependency hell". It does however force your morals on a religious…
I don't think it does. I think too many people are trying to short circuit real discussion around this issue by either calling people bigots, or taking offense to the term "bully".
And I think the separate but equal problem is a very compelling reason to remove rights from marriage entirely. Codifying religious beliefs into law shouldn't be accepted. Trying to redefine religious beliefs in law…
And that's fair, but when it's inflated into a giant controversy because people stand to profit from the eyes on it (okcupid, anyone?) then I find it very disheartening. And it is bullying when you personally attack…
But I think this is still wrong. Giving marriage any rights at all is respecting a religious practice in the government. I think we solve the problem not by forcing those who are religious to accept gays, or by forcing…
And personally, I agree with you. I wouldn't support it. It made me think less of Eich. It didn't make we want him to lose a job he was qualified for. I can also still respect the work he does for Mozilla. I think my…
Well, the first point about the Partnership not being recognized in other states is fair, but my facts are fine. Even if California let them get married, other states won't recognize it, there's no difference there. But…
Let me stoop to your level for a moment: Yo, FUCKHEAD: You claimed appropriating marriage was a band-aid. BUT... you ALREADY HAD THE FUCKING RIGHTS. You JUST WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT WHAT MARRIAGE IS. FUCK YOU. You don't…
Again, the "deny them their human rights" argument fails to pass the bullshit test. The had domestic partnerships, they had the full legal rights marriage granted available. Prop 8's entire quibble was over the word…
I think the issue is that as long as the state endows rights to religious practice (marriage) there is a problem. If the state only gave rights and taxed civil unions, the churches cannot, by definition, control if…
And my response to the separate but equal argument is literally sitting in my comment above, and part of my argument, remove rights from the word marriage. There is ONLY civil unions. There is no separation. You…
No, I think you've decided that when democracy doesn't cater exactly to your personal morals, it must be wrong. Making a donation based on private, personal beliefs is ENTIRELY the point of a democracy. The correct…
There already was a suitable band-aid, it was called domestic partnerships, and had the full legal rights of marriage in California. Co-opting the word marriage in law, rather than asking for it to be removed was…
Let me put this another way. If your response to Eich getting promoted was to stop using Firefox, I'd support your actions. If your response was to publicly shame him for an opinion to the point where he loses his job,…
You understand you're the definition of a schoolyard bully, right? I've read all my posts, several times. I'm internally consistent, and I almost always favor cautious respect over ignorant bashing. I'm not even…
The other side of this coin is that marriage has religious significance to many people, and by forcing the definition to change, pro-gay rights groups are also codifying personal belief into law. Both sides fucked it…
I'm not qualified to tell the other side of the story. I don't know why Eich made that contribution. Neither do you. It might have been family pressure, it might have honestly been that he's religious and doesn't…
I find the entire Eich scandal disheartening. A man lost his job (one he was undoubtedly qualified for) because people find it easier to heap hatred on someone they've never met, than to act with dignity and respect. We…
I think once the legal implications are removed, churches would lose their control over the word by default. It doesn't have meaning outside of the church at that point, and the government "shall make no law respecting…
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Eich donated to a cause that believes the word "marriage" has religious connotations that make it incompatible with a union between two people of the same sex. That argument in and of itself…
I see the Neo-luddism argument thrown out a lot when discussions pop up around basic income. It's bullshit. Basic Income does not in any way support or suggest opposition to technology. In general, technology has made…
The comparison to race still fails to make me think publicly denouncing a company in its whole because of the personal beliefs of one member is in any way justified. People will never be homogeneous in their beliefs,…
That $79/year was intended to REPLACE the price of shipping on individual items. If the price of those items increases by the cost of shipping, after you've payed the $79, Prime is now a sunk cost of $79 that has ZERO…
No, his cognitive dissonance is that he claims to only want the word marriage for the rights, ignoring they are already present. He then claims the because the rights aren't present, co-opting the word marriage is ok,…
Those contracts and benefits were already present and available under a domestic partnership. Prop-8 merely wanted marriage to remain between a man and a women (in the legal sense, in all reality, some scummy shit came…
This is true, marriage in one state does not have to be recognized in another, or even federally. California amending it's marriage laws does not solve "dependency hell". It does however force your morals on a religious…
I don't think it does. I think too many people are trying to short circuit real discussion around this issue by either calling people bigots, or taking offense to the term "bully".
And I think the separate but equal problem is a very compelling reason to remove rights from marriage entirely. Codifying religious beliefs into law shouldn't be accepted. Trying to redefine religious beliefs in law…
And that's fair, but when it's inflated into a giant controversy because people stand to profit from the eyes on it (okcupid, anyone?) then I find it very disheartening. And it is bullying when you personally attack…
But I think this is still wrong. Giving marriage any rights at all is respecting a religious practice in the government. I think we solve the problem not by forcing those who are religious to accept gays, or by forcing…
And personally, I agree with you. I wouldn't support it. It made me think less of Eich. It didn't make we want him to lose a job he was qualified for. I can also still respect the work he does for Mozilla. I think my…
Well, the first point about the Partnership not being recognized in other states is fair, but my facts are fine. Even if California let them get married, other states won't recognize it, there's no difference there. But…
Let me stoop to your level for a moment: Yo, FUCKHEAD: You claimed appropriating marriage was a band-aid. BUT... you ALREADY HAD THE FUCKING RIGHTS. You JUST WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT WHAT MARRIAGE IS. FUCK YOU. You don't…
Again, the "deny them their human rights" argument fails to pass the bullshit test. The had domestic partnerships, they had the full legal rights marriage granted available. Prop 8's entire quibble was over the word…
I think the issue is that as long as the state endows rights to religious practice (marriage) there is a problem. If the state only gave rights and taxed civil unions, the churches cannot, by definition, control if…
And my response to the separate but equal argument is literally sitting in my comment above, and part of my argument, remove rights from the word marriage. There is ONLY civil unions. There is no separation. You…
No, I think you've decided that when democracy doesn't cater exactly to your personal morals, it must be wrong. Making a donation based on private, personal beliefs is ENTIRELY the point of a democracy. The correct…
There already was a suitable band-aid, it was called domestic partnerships, and had the full legal rights of marriage in California. Co-opting the word marriage in law, rather than asking for it to be removed was…
Let me put this another way. If your response to Eich getting promoted was to stop using Firefox, I'd support your actions. If your response was to publicly shame him for an opinion to the point where he loses his job,…
You understand you're the definition of a schoolyard bully, right? I've read all my posts, several times. I'm internally consistent, and I almost always favor cautious respect over ignorant bashing. I'm not even…
The other side of this coin is that marriage has religious significance to many people, and by forcing the definition to change, pro-gay rights groups are also codifying personal belief into law. Both sides fucked it…
I'm not qualified to tell the other side of the story. I don't know why Eich made that contribution. Neither do you. It might have been family pressure, it might have honestly been that he's religious and doesn't…
I find the entire Eich scandal disheartening. A man lost his job (one he was undoubtedly qualified for) because people find it easier to heap hatred on someone they've never met, than to act with dignity and respect. We…
I think once the legal implications are removed, churches would lose their control over the word by default. It doesn't have meaning outside of the church at that point, and the government "shall make no law respecting…
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Eich donated to a cause that believes the word "marriage" has religious connotations that make it incompatible with a union between two people of the same sex. That argument in and of itself…
I see the Neo-luddism argument thrown out a lot when discussions pop up around basic income. It's bullshit. Basic Income does not in any way support or suggest opposition to technology. In general, technology has made…
The comparison to race still fails to make me think publicly denouncing a company in its whole because of the personal beliefs of one member is in any way justified. People will never be homogeneous in their beliefs,…
That $79/year was intended to REPLACE the price of shipping on individual items. If the price of those items increases by the cost of shipping, after you've payed the $79, Prime is now a sunk cost of $79 that has ZERO…