The comment he is responding to expresses contempt for Zig’s LLM policy, and does so in a thread that is unrelated to Zig’s LLM policy. I think he’s showing some frustration here, but frankly I get it. Would anybody…
I think all he’s saying is ‘feel free to use LLMs however you like, that isn’t related to how we use them on our project’. (I have no affiliation to Loris or the Zig project, just offering a suggested translation.)
> Ideally f(x) means the same thing whether evaluated by the compiler or by the generated program. Absolutely, that’s why I wanted to know what types of things aren’t covered yet, and that’s also why I don’t share your…
I hear you but I’m not sure it’s as dramatic as that, it’s also been quite predictable in my use over the last few years since I haven’t happened to use floating point or different endianness.
I get it now. Important things but not things that I use often - hopefully addressed by 1.0.
Now I see this response, I responded to the other comment.
Interesting, I hadn’t run across that but that’s probably just my problem domain. I did find this bug that looks like it was resolved a year ago https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/24184 and I have also read they are…
Are you saying that you think that Zig does not produce identical outcomes for comptime code regardless of when the code runs? What do you mean?
Regardless of focusing on correctness or performance, it looks to me like the author didn’t understand arenas that well. Like the other commenter said, “You use an arena when you have computation that might consume a…
My reasoning, which you may not agree with, is that I think that I have seen pron say unkind words before and I thought I had a better chance of persuading Steve to let it go. (Sorry pron, that’s how I was thinking of…
Yes! I think Fil is great so far but I think as he gets a bigger audience he should, well, consider that and focus on clarity a little more than humor. You can see Andrew’s growth in that respect. Rust folks, this whole…
If you choose to build static or dynamic libraries, I expect you’d still get to do that, and I expect as long as those don’t change and only the main binary needs patching it’d work the same. (Though I’m waiting for the…
I know this is mostly a joke but I have seriously wondered if “no hidden behavior” made it easier to port from Zig. Like, regardless of how easy or successful the port was in general, I think Zig’s explicitness may have…
I don’t disagree. I responded to “clearly an anti-rust statement”, which is a bit of a stretch.
“Focus on debugging your application rather than debugging your programming language knowledge” to me sounds like it is directed primarily at C and C++., it’s a much more direct translation.
My specific reply was to laszlojamf saying “it seems like go, but with manual allocation”. To your point though, if Rust is getting it done, go for it. A lot of people still write those in C though.
I think Zig would do better than Go at things like kernels, drivers, game engines, lower level sorts of things. Edited to add the obvious: SPIR-V, for instance. Of course there’s lots of programming that can afford to…
My interpretation of what they said is closer to “we already improved compilation speeds by 4x and we did it without compromising our plans to go much further - also this PR introduces specific timing bugs.”
Apples and oranges, yeah. I should have spelled that out more, thanks.
My guess is that one of these (Andrew) is measuring syscalls and the other is measuring vtable indirections.
Seriously, turn on the news once in a while.
That’s what I am betting on - but it isn’t 1.0 yet, and that matters too.
This is great! https://github.com/undergroundwires/privacy.sexy/tree/master... looks like the raw data (yaml) for all these commands, including commands for macOS. With that, it’s at least plausible to audit these…
Yes! I try to always phrase it as "the part I can see from here will take at least X time".
Okay, so your source is Giuliani. Well that is an answer, I guess. Sorry I was looking for a news source and not a political one. This is not nearly as credible - until evidence reaches a courtroom - as “somebody on the…
The comment he is responding to expresses contempt for Zig’s LLM policy, and does so in a thread that is unrelated to Zig’s LLM policy. I think he’s showing some frustration here, but frankly I get it. Would anybody…
I think all he’s saying is ‘feel free to use LLMs however you like, that isn’t related to how we use them on our project’. (I have no affiliation to Loris or the Zig project, just offering a suggested translation.)
> Ideally f(x) means the same thing whether evaluated by the compiler or by the generated program. Absolutely, that’s why I wanted to know what types of things aren’t covered yet, and that’s also why I don’t share your…
I hear you but I’m not sure it’s as dramatic as that, it’s also been quite predictable in my use over the last few years since I haven’t happened to use floating point or different endianness.
I get it now. Important things but not things that I use often - hopefully addressed by 1.0.
Now I see this response, I responded to the other comment.
Interesting, I hadn’t run across that but that’s probably just my problem domain. I did find this bug that looks like it was resolved a year ago https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/24184 and I have also read they are…
Are you saying that you think that Zig does not produce identical outcomes for comptime code regardless of when the code runs? What do you mean?
Regardless of focusing on correctness or performance, it looks to me like the author didn’t understand arenas that well. Like the other commenter said, “You use an arena when you have computation that might consume a…
My reasoning, which you may not agree with, is that I think that I have seen pron say unkind words before and I thought I had a better chance of persuading Steve to let it go. (Sorry pron, that’s how I was thinking of…
Yes! I think Fil is great so far but I think as he gets a bigger audience he should, well, consider that and focus on clarity a little more than humor. You can see Andrew’s growth in that respect. Rust folks, this whole…
If you choose to build static or dynamic libraries, I expect you’d still get to do that, and I expect as long as those don’t change and only the main binary needs patching it’d work the same. (Though I’m waiting for the…
I know this is mostly a joke but I have seriously wondered if “no hidden behavior” made it easier to port from Zig. Like, regardless of how easy or successful the port was in general, I think Zig’s explicitness may have…
I don’t disagree. I responded to “clearly an anti-rust statement”, which is a bit of a stretch.
“Focus on debugging your application rather than debugging your programming language knowledge” to me sounds like it is directed primarily at C and C++., it’s a much more direct translation.
My specific reply was to laszlojamf saying “it seems like go, but with manual allocation”. To your point though, if Rust is getting it done, go for it. A lot of people still write those in C though.
I think Zig would do better than Go at things like kernels, drivers, game engines, lower level sorts of things. Edited to add the obvious: SPIR-V, for instance. Of course there’s lots of programming that can afford to…
My interpretation of what they said is closer to “we already improved compilation speeds by 4x and we did it without compromising our plans to go much further - also this PR introduces specific timing bugs.”
Apples and oranges, yeah. I should have spelled that out more, thanks.
My guess is that one of these (Andrew) is measuring syscalls and the other is measuring vtable indirections.
Seriously, turn on the news once in a while.
That’s what I am betting on - but it isn’t 1.0 yet, and that matters too.
This is great! https://github.com/undergroundwires/privacy.sexy/tree/master... looks like the raw data (yaml) for all these commands, including commands for macOS. With that, it’s at least plausible to audit these…
Yes! I try to always phrase it as "the part I can see from here will take at least X time".
Okay, so your source is Giuliani. Well that is an answer, I guess. Sorry I was looking for a news source and not a political one. This is not nearly as credible - until evidence reaches a courtroom - as “somebody on the…