Could somebody comment on the significance of this?
> IPFS content is chunked, your swarm is lan+wan. Yes, but for offload, all that matters is your local lan swarm. > A room full of people using their phones is what I have in mind. That might work to some extent, but…
I, too, have enjoyed our discussion. Moving towards IPNS namespaces would probably be a great start. Example content sites like the below one (found in another comment) are a disaster just waiting to happen:…
Say you grab a site. How do you announce that fact, verify that it is an unmodified copy, sync/merge/update copies and deduplicate assets between different snapshots?
Isn't that the direct antithesis of IPFS? Might as well just Airdrop whatever you want to share with your buddy if you are going to require a rendezvous mechanism.
> Streaming _is_ downloading. No, it is not. Not from a legal perspective, which is all that matters in this context. With seeding you are making things worse for yourself, as you are not merely downloading but also…
> Obviously with certain incentives, battery would become irrelevant. Sure, cold hard cash would suffice, but imaginary Internet points won't do. But even with cash there comes a point where you would turn off IPFS,…
> So for an insignificant battery investment, you can potentially save a lot of data and modem power in the long run. Having run many a phone into the ground while hotspotting, I do not consider the battery investment…
> Assuming everyone has 8GB of cache space on their phones That feels optimistic. I doubt people have that much free space on their phones, especially those that don't have flash cards. Heck, a basic iPhone won't have.…
Fair enough. Eventually somebody will have to do a lot of work to get all that done then.
> Granted, i feel like this could be tweaked as it is simply a mechanic to attempt to reduce leeching on the network. How do you propose tweaking it without either publishing a directory of all the kiddy porn on IPFS or…
> Yea, this is where you're mistaken. It cannot make you distribute anything! Oh, really? "In some cases, nodes must work for their blocks. In the case that a node has nothing that its peers want (or nothing at all), it…
Net positive to who? Not to the seeder, whose most scarce resource, the battery, is being exploited.
IPFS needs to protect its users, if it is to have any users. The creators of IPFS may not have any liability, but they open up its users to severe issues of liability due to the way it operates. IPFS will become toxic…
It's ironic that IPFS plans on using a central service to censor and purge it's distributed system. Not that this central authority will solve this issue either. It just opens another can of worms. Who will review…
IPFS archives look like something entirely different from what the grandparent was talking about. Sure, you can manually publish archives over IPFS, but that's not something that automatically creates an IPFS cache copy…
Exactly. Which begs the question of why bother with the decentralization part at all of long tail / unpopular content?
Streaming is not downloading (and seeding).
Could you expand on that? Zeronet offers no anonymity, you have to use Tor for that.
If IPFS wants get gain traction and go mainstream, they still have you address the kiddy porn and piracy issue. You can't go downloading and seeding random hashes if this exposes you to criminal charges and/or law…
It's not like the grandparent is advocating DDOSing, he is just pointing out that doing so is trivial for less popular content. This is something that IPFS doesn't address, but that their marketing fluff implies would…
Are you just unable to answer the question or are you just so new to the interwebz that you think that was a troll?
> Unless they changed policy, seeding is strictly a manual, opt-in process. Pinning may be manual, but is not content automatically cached and seeded (until purged from the cache) once any content is retrieved? > I…
Too late. Once you've retrieved content via IPFS, you are already infringing. You can still be sued, waiting for a DMCA notice won't save you.
Ok, when or why would you use IPFS instead of something else?
Could somebody comment on the significance of this?
> IPFS content is chunked, your swarm is lan+wan. Yes, but for offload, all that matters is your local lan swarm. > A room full of people using their phones is what I have in mind. That might work to some extent, but…
I, too, have enjoyed our discussion. Moving towards IPNS namespaces would probably be a great start. Example content sites like the below one (found in another comment) are a disaster just waiting to happen:…
Say you grab a site. How do you announce that fact, verify that it is an unmodified copy, sync/merge/update copies and deduplicate assets between different snapshots?
Isn't that the direct antithesis of IPFS? Might as well just Airdrop whatever you want to share with your buddy if you are going to require a rendezvous mechanism.
> Streaming _is_ downloading. No, it is not. Not from a legal perspective, which is all that matters in this context. With seeding you are making things worse for yourself, as you are not merely downloading but also…
> Obviously with certain incentives, battery would become irrelevant. Sure, cold hard cash would suffice, but imaginary Internet points won't do. But even with cash there comes a point where you would turn off IPFS,…
> So for an insignificant battery investment, you can potentially save a lot of data and modem power in the long run. Having run many a phone into the ground while hotspotting, I do not consider the battery investment…
> Assuming everyone has 8GB of cache space on their phones That feels optimistic. I doubt people have that much free space on their phones, especially those that don't have flash cards. Heck, a basic iPhone won't have.…
Fair enough. Eventually somebody will have to do a lot of work to get all that done then.
> Granted, i feel like this could be tweaked as it is simply a mechanic to attempt to reduce leeching on the network. How do you propose tweaking it without either publishing a directory of all the kiddy porn on IPFS or…
> Yea, this is where you're mistaken. It cannot make you distribute anything! Oh, really? "In some cases, nodes must work for their blocks. In the case that a node has nothing that its peers want (or nothing at all), it…
Net positive to who? Not to the seeder, whose most scarce resource, the battery, is being exploited.
IPFS needs to protect its users, if it is to have any users. The creators of IPFS may not have any liability, but they open up its users to severe issues of liability due to the way it operates. IPFS will become toxic…
It's ironic that IPFS plans on using a central service to censor and purge it's distributed system. Not that this central authority will solve this issue either. It just opens another can of worms. Who will review…
IPFS archives look like something entirely different from what the grandparent was talking about. Sure, you can manually publish archives over IPFS, but that's not something that automatically creates an IPFS cache copy…
Exactly. Which begs the question of why bother with the decentralization part at all of long tail / unpopular content?
Streaming is not downloading (and seeding).
Could you expand on that? Zeronet offers no anonymity, you have to use Tor for that.
If IPFS wants get gain traction and go mainstream, they still have you address the kiddy porn and piracy issue. You can't go downloading and seeding random hashes if this exposes you to criminal charges and/or law…
It's not like the grandparent is advocating DDOSing, he is just pointing out that doing so is trivial for less popular content. This is something that IPFS doesn't address, but that their marketing fluff implies would…
Are you just unable to answer the question or are you just so new to the interwebz that you think that was a troll?
> Unless they changed policy, seeding is strictly a manual, opt-in process. Pinning may be manual, but is not content automatically cached and seeded (until purged from the cache) once any content is retrieved? > I…
Too late. Once you've retrieved content via IPFS, you are already infringing. You can still be sued, waiting for a DMCA notice won't save you.
Ok, when or why would you use IPFS instead of something else?