Good points, I could definitely be wrong in my estimate of the proportion of installations coming from the package manager. It may be that enough utility will be found in a fork. Nothing but to wait and see ;)
I hope software packagers for the various Linux distributions will disable this behavior, one or way or another, with or without the assistance of the Go developers. The official Go documentation can say whatever it…
In practice, I can imagine the software packagers of various Linux distributions would set an environment variable to disable the offending behavior. This may be good enough for the majority of the software's…
Not sure what your point is. With regards to the last sentence, I don't see the irony. People who don't like being tracked like local software, yes.
The world was already there, your bubble just burst. In recent decades tech companies and their programmers have done everything they can to collect data about users. Are you now surprised that the same companies apply…
If they add "telemetry" my response would not be to set an environment variable, but to uninstall golang. I used it a few years ago, both personally and in a work setting, but I'll do so no more in the future. Just my…
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Right, I just wrote about it in my reply to "lisper". The name "dotted list" may not have been the best choice, but that's not an outlier in human history.
The point was that dotted-list-p doesn't have anything to do with the "serialized form" (printed representation) of the list. Dotted lists are important because they are one of the two types of improper list, the other…
The name "dotted list" comes from how the list is serialized, yes, but not the concept. You can write a function dotted-list-p that takes an object and returns the value of (and (consp object) (cdr (last object))).…
When baby Lispers are born, the first thing they are taught is a dichotomy: the universe is split into conses and atoms. Cons cells are simple and composed of two components, which are called the car and cdr. There are…
You are conflating implementation tricks with language semantics. In Lisp, NIL is always an atom, never a cons. Also, a dotted list is a nonempty list where the cdr of the last cons is not NIL. It is not a notational…
Replying to self because HN doesn't show me reply buttons to this comment's children. This account is 52 days old, but the user behind this has been reading and posting on HN for a bit longer (let's say since PG decided…
> Aside from signaling an error, the #\) reader macro is also useful because it changes the rules when reading symbols. This is wrong. See http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/02_ad....
Sure you can. CL-USER> (set-macro-character #\) (get-macro-character #\()) T CL-USER> )format t "Hello") Hello NIL
Instead of a general mushroom identification app, it could be a poisonous mushroom identification app. The dataset would only include poisonous mushrooms, and it will be made clear that it is not exhaustive. This could…
It seems you're suggesting making CDR into an O(N) operation. So for example ordinary list processing algorithms that take O(N) will now be O(N^2). Anyway, these kind of weird arguments from people who don't get it have…
To me this code just looks like a lot of boilerplate to just say: (replace (make-array count) batch)
Nemo judex in causa sua.
What does "refuse to collaborate" even mean? There are multiple people who submit patches to free Lisp software. There are companies where Lisp people work together. There is free help offered in various Lisp fora.…
He did publish some elisp code, which you can see traces of in GNU Emacs and SLIME.
I did not mean to be aggressive, just direct. There is no "Lisp community". In this family of languages, there are a bunch of individuals that sometimes form communities around areas of interest or particular fora. If…
As a rule whenever the question starts with "do people consider", the answer is going to be: some do, others don't. If you wish to "look into" Lisp, do the work: look at a bunch of resources, skim them, pick the ones…
Good points, I could definitely be wrong in my estimate of the proportion of installations coming from the package manager. It may be that enough utility will be found in a fork. Nothing but to wait and see ;)
I hope software packagers for the various Linux distributions will disable this behavior, one or way or another, with or without the assistance of the Go developers. The official Go documentation can say whatever it…
In practice, I can imagine the software packagers of various Linux distributions would set an environment variable to disable the offending behavior. This may be good enough for the majority of the software's…
Not sure what your point is. With regards to the last sentence, I don't see the irony. People who don't like being tracked like local software, yes.
The world was already there, your bubble just burst. In recent decades tech companies and their programmers have done everything they can to collect data about users. Are you now surprised that the same companies apply…
If they add "telemetry" my response would not be to set an environment variable, but to uninstall golang. I used it a few years ago, both personally and in a work setting, but I'll do so no more in the future. Just my…
a..ac..ab..ac..ac..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ac..ac..ab..ac..ab..l..a..ab..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ab..ac..ab..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ab..ac..ac..ab..aca..ba..ca..ca..ba..ca..ba..ca..ca..ba..b.…
Right, I just wrote about it in my reply to "lisper". The name "dotted list" may not have been the best choice, but that's not an outlier in human history.
The point was that dotted-list-p doesn't have anything to do with the "serialized form" (printed representation) of the list. Dotted lists are important because they are one of the two types of improper list, the other…
The name "dotted list" comes from how the list is serialized, yes, but not the concept. You can write a function dotted-list-p that takes an object and returns the value of (and (consp object) (cdr (last object))).…
When baby Lispers are born, the first thing they are taught is a dichotomy: the universe is split into conses and atoms. Cons cells are simple and composed of two components, which are called the car and cdr. There are…
You are conflating implementation tricks with language semantics. In Lisp, NIL is always an atom, never a cons. Also, a dotted list is a nonempty list where the cdr of the last cons is not NIL. It is not a notational…
Replying to self because HN doesn't show me reply buttons to this comment's children. This account is 52 days old, but the user behind this has been reading and posting on HN for a bit longer (let's say since PG decided…
> Aside from signaling an error, the #\) reader macro is also useful because it changes the rules when reading symbols. This is wrong. See http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/02_ad....
Sure you can. CL-USER> (set-macro-character #\) (get-macro-character #\()) T CL-USER> )format t "Hello") Hello NIL
Instead of a general mushroom identification app, it could be a poisonous mushroom identification app. The dataset would only include poisonous mushrooms, and it will be made clear that it is not exhaustive. This could…
It seems you're suggesting making CDR into an O(N) operation. So for example ordinary list processing algorithms that take O(N) will now be O(N^2). Anyway, these kind of weird arguments from people who don't get it have…
To me this code just looks like a lot of boilerplate to just say: (replace (make-array count) batch)
Nemo judex in causa sua.
What does "refuse to collaborate" even mean? There are multiple people who submit patches to free Lisp software. There are companies where Lisp people work together. There is free help offered in various Lisp fora.…
He did publish some elisp code, which you can see traces of in GNU Emacs and SLIME.
I did not mean to be aggressive, just direct. There is no "Lisp community". In this family of languages, there are a bunch of individuals that sometimes form communities around areas of interest or particular fora. If…
As a rule whenever the question starts with "do people consider", the answer is going to be: some do, others don't. If you wish to "look into" Lisp, do the work: look at a bunch of resources, skim them, pick the ones…