Cloud flare CEO just wanted responsibility for the whole thing to rest on his shoulders to protect the principles of free speech that he believes in. A la the dark knight.
I agree, so take action against that specific man, and take action because he was responsible for an act of violence. If ten people standing in a row have an idea, you cannot destroy the idea by shooting all of them in…
A free society can be nice as well! "nice" and "free" are not symmetrical concepts. Being nice but not free works for today, but has no guarantee of working for tomorrow. Being free means that we have the ability to…
Thanks for these choice quotes. I completely agree for the need for boundaries, but I think we've done a most excellent job of setting them! The current boundary is speech that immediately incites violence, I believe…
This is where the analogy breaks down though. If we reach a place where the internet itself is fragmented, then I will no longer be able to access trash like the Daily Stormer, and the child of a radical will no longer…
> engaging, at all, legitimizes the notion that this type of idea is up for debate. It's not. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." All ideas are up for debate. >…
I made a list of interesting introductory articles here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14982781 The best one is: Bayes theorem: http://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule_guide
Let's say you're right. I'd think that isolating this group is a poor strategy. Look at terrorist camps in Pakistan where children are indoctrinated from a young age with radical ideas. Is the solution here to build a…
We are NOT fighting the people here, we're fighting the ideas. I don't think we should ever forget this.
Sure, fire is good when you're dealing with them roaches, but kill them as you will, does nothing for the ideas, which sunlight is good for. Yes, the US actually does have excellent lines on what's acceptable speech. In…
It is very important to distinguish something like Facebook blocking an account / Medium taking down a blog from a domain registrar refusing to cooperate. You are free to create a room where only some ideologies are…
Here's some relevant reading On the topic of monkeys: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvxgwa/from-dragons-to-fo... A transexual speaking of genders as a rainbow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drSXRW-4j5o
Is this a reliable source?
Not only is there a question of where to draw the line, but also of who draws it.
This is my favourite addiction talk. Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong | Johann Hari https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs
What about the MANUFACTURERS of cigarettes? And while we're at it, what about junk food? Take cigarettes. Even if you argue that people ought to be able to make and buy and smoke cigarettes, which I can agree with, I…
Hmm.... I understand that you reference the overlap, and distinction between biology and psycology. Let's say you have a new born child. Since there is so much overlap between men and women, how can we EVER attribute…
My apologies. Comment was low effort and not clear enough on the point it was making. To substantiate that comment: http://yudkowsky.net/rational/the-simple-truth/ What powers should define truth? Sensory / populist /…
I mean, 90% is bigger than 90% of the other numbers. Like 40% for instance. What is truth when you have a gun to your head.
If you're doing pure math, it's FAR more objective who's good at it and who isn't. Also, people do it for interest, and not for status or the money, so it's less political.
Thanks for your reply. I rarely get a chance to learn from someone who feels so passionately about these issues. These range of conditions are interesting, we are truly a varied species. Let us do a thought experiment.…
This is the worst damaging consequence of this whole charade. The words themselves no longer have any meaning. - "Man" is to no longer define any category except for people who self identify as men. - And at the same…
> So what? Which is to say, what are we to do with not just the conclusions of the memo but also its implications? Two things: 1. You can detect asymmetries in the nurturing part of the equation and correct for them by…
Nah, I just posted that here to encourage the discussion. I don't have much trouble believing that the article is derived from some sort of similar reality though. Here's some more disturbing relatively credible…
Cloud flare CEO just wanted responsibility for the whole thing to rest on his shoulders to protect the principles of free speech that he believes in. A la the dark knight.
I agree, so take action against that specific man, and take action because he was responsible for an act of violence. If ten people standing in a row have an idea, you cannot destroy the idea by shooting all of them in…
A free society can be nice as well! "nice" and "free" are not symmetrical concepts. Being nice but not free works for today, but has no guarantee of working for tomorrow. Being free means that we have the ability to…
Thanks for these choice quotes. I completely agree for the need for boundaries, but I think we've done a most excellent job of setting them! The current boundary is speech that immediately incites violence, I believe…
This is where the analogy breaks down though. If we reach a place where the internet itself is fragmented, then I will no longer be able to access trash like the Daily Stormer, and the child of a radical will no longer…
> engaging, at all, legitimizes the notion that this type of idea is up for debate. It's not. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." All ideas are up for debate. >…
I made a list of interesting introductory articles here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14982781 The best one is: Bayes theorem: http://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule_guide
Let's say you're right. I'd think that isolating this group is a poor strategy. Look at terrorist camps in Pakistan where children are indoctrinated from a young age with radical ideas. Is the solution here to build a…
We are NOT fighting the people here, we're fighting the ideas. I don't think we should ever forget this.
Sure, fire is good when you're dealing with them roaches, but kill them as you will, does nothing for the ideas, which sunlight is good for. Yes, the US actually does have excellent lines on what's acceptable speech. In…
It is very important to distinguish something like Facebook blocking an account / Medium taking down a blog from a domain registrar refusing to cooperate. You are free to create a room where only some ideologies are…
Here's some relevant reading On the topic of monkeys: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvxgwa/from-dragons-to-fo... A transexual speaking of genders as a rainbow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drSXRW-4j5o
Is this a reliable source?
It is very important to distinguish something like Facebook blocking an account / Medium taking down a blog from a domain registrar refusing to cooperate. You are free to create a room where only some ideologies are…
Not only is there a question of where to draw the line, but also of who draws it.
This is my favourite addiction talk. Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong | Johann Hari https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs
What about the MANUFACTURERS of cigarettes? And while we're at it, what about junk food? Take cigarettes. Even if you argue that people ought to be able to make and buy and smoke cigarettes, which I can agree with, I…
Hmm.... I understand that you reference the overlap, and distinction between biology and psycology. Let's say you have a new born child. Since there is so much overlap between men and women, how can we EVER attribute…
My apologies. Comment was low effort and not clear enough on the point it was making. To substantiate that comment: http://yudkowsky.net/rational/the-simple-truth/ What powers should define truth? Sensory / populist /…
I mean, 90% is bigger than 90% of the other numbers. Like 40% for instance. What is truth when you have a gun to your head.
If you're doing pure math, it's FAR more objective who's good at it and who isn't. Also, people do it for interest, and not for status or the money, so it's less political.
Thanks for your reply. I rarely get a chance to learn from someone who feels so passionately about these issues. These range of conditions are interesting, we are truly a varied species. Let us do a thought experiment.…
This is the worst damaging consequence of this whole charade. The words themselves no longer have any meaning. - "Man" is to no longer define any category except for people who self identify as men. - And at the same…
> So what? Which is to say, what are we to do with not just the conclusions of the memo but also its implications? Two things: 1. You can detect asymmetries in the nurturing part of the equation and correct for them by…
Nah, I just posted that here to encourage the discussion. I don't have much trouble believing that the article is derived from some sort of similar reality though. Here's some more disturbing relatively credible…