Look how many platforms X supports, how many paradigm shifts has survived. systemd already has a less flexible architecture by design that an ancient system, so in the future it'll be difficult to untangle.
You should educate yourself about FUD, I recommend the Halloween documents, where they explain the unfeasibility of FUD tactics against an open source project, e.g. if someone tries to do it they won't get anywhere.
But the patches that didn't fit the roadmap dictated by RedHat have been rejected.
Facebook also uses PHP, the most reviled language around here. Google has a developer team to rewrite components and adapt the Linux kernel, consider that.
This is a well thought out and complete response, it's just unfortunate that an image illustrating an overcomplicated system to solve a simple problem has elicited this censure; instead of the comment, in response to…
> combined with the scabrous smack. The word 'scabrous' means "dealing with salacious or indecent material". Feel free to inspect the image, I guarantee it's safe for work.
> "being or not a corporation" makes a huge difference Take a look at Mozilla, they implemented DRM, otherwise they could have lost relevance, they explained. Now Debian must commit resources just making everything work…
What he says is that they used the literal name in symlinks, not a derivative term.
That's precisely the point, it's part of the quote, the more Debian standardizes on the upcoming systemd distro, it'll get erased by RedHat real fast, who offers a differentiating advantage. How do you differentiate…
No shit, I don't distribute the GNU/Linux software either, too big and inconvenient (GB) compared to a patch (bytes). >> GPL or any other OSS license grants you the the permission The sysvinit alternatives that I know…
> Only the ones small enough that they don't worry about getting sued You got it backwards. Precisely only the big commercial distros with mighty legal teams (Debian, RedHat, Fedora) could afford to get away with…
I've been hearing this for decades: If Linux and *BSD are better than Windows, how come exactly zero people have made the switch? Except they've been adopted, systemd has been mandatory only in some bigger more…
>> Eventually he fucked up the licensing of cdrtools enough that distros couldn't legally distribute it Except that most distros DID distributed it UNALTERED, like Slackware, Gentoo, OpenSuSE, Ark Linux. > There was no…
I'll tell you one thing, I know nothing about you, but this person is considered by many the best programmer in the world, one thing is certain, compared to the good done to the world, he's various levels above you and…
Your analogies are great, transmiting a clear picture of systemd, like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Professor...
Well, if Microsoft could, and did, port IE and Office to UNIX, why would the free and open software people have a problem in allowing more user choice? Why would they need to hard depend on software designed to be…
Not if Linus decided that, if the Linux Foundation decided that they wanted to switch the license to proprietary. See the mailing list message of Linus against deep integration between the kernel and systemd! > The…
Don't quote me on this, but I recall reading from official channels that the last Debian version without mandatory systemd is going to see its support period indefinitely extended for a long time. Good luck! :)
Who are this developers you keep talking about? When Microsoft bundled IE, WMP with Windows, we said, OK, developers decided that the benefit is worth the dependency, they'll do it, but we didn't like that, I'm not…
Not only udev, they roadmap is to pack the whole system so as to remove any difference between linux installs, their words, not mine. Currently, we can fork udev, but in the future, are you telling my to fork the whole…
Ok, I agree with you entirely, just a quick response because I was quoting and so have the responsibility to avoid distorting other people's words. This didn't happen 7-10 years ago, that's when it started, but this…
I happen to like modern daemontools-like init systems a lot, (runit, s6) but I use various init systems depending on what I want, and that's great IMO. The problem is that systemd is that is being forcefully pushed to…
In May 2004, a Debian packet maintainer (Eduard Bloch) started to send repeated personal insults to Jörg Schilling after one of Bloch's patch requests against mkisofs was rejected because it was full of bugs. In March…
cough FFmpeg cough
Your response only makes sense if your alternatives are: (1) systemd, (2) sysvinit and (3) a horrible death. I know dozens of init systems that do much more, markedly better than systemd, and are modular so you can…
Look how many platforms X supports, how many paradigm shifts has survived. systemd already has a less flexible architecture by design that an ancient system, so in the future it'll be difficult to untangle.
You should educate yourself about FUD, I recommend the Halloween documents, where they explain the unfeasibility of FUD tactics against an open source project, e.g. if someone tries to do it they won't get anywhere.
But the patches that didn't fit the roadmap dictated by RedHat have been rejected.
Facebook also uses PHP, the most reviled language around here. Google has a developer team to rewrite components and adapt the Linux kernel, consider that.
This is a well thought out and complete response, it's just unfortunate that an image illustrating an overcomplicated system to solve a simple problem has elicited this censure; instead of the comment, in response to…
> combined with the scabrous smack. The word 'scabrous' means "dealing with salacious or indecent material". Feel free to inspect the image, I guarantee it's safe for work.
> "being or not a corporation" makes a huge difference Take a look at Mozilla, they implemented DRM, otherwise they could have lost relevance, they explained. Now Debian must commit resources just making everything work…
What he says is that they used the literal name in symlinks, not a derivative term.
That's precisely the point, it's part of the quote, the more Debian standardizes on the upcoming systemd distro, it'll get erased by RedHat real fast, who offers a differentiating advantage. How do you differentiate…
No shit, I don't distribute the GNU/Linux software either, too big and inconvenient (GB) compared to a patch (bytes). >> GPL or any other OSS license grants you the the permission The sysvinit alternatives that I know…
> Only the ones small enough that they don't worry about getting sued You got it backwards. Precisely only the big commercial distros with mighty legal teams (Debian, RedHat, Fedora) could afford to get away with…
I've been hearing this for decades: If Linux and *BSD are better than Windows, how come exactly zero people have made the switch? Except they've been adopted, systemd has been mandatory only in some bigger more…
>> Eventually he fucked up the licensing of cdrtools enough that distros couldn't legally distribute it Except that most distros DID distributed it UNALTERED, like Slackware, Gentoo, OpenSuSE, Ark Linux. > There was no…
I'll tell you one thing, I know nothing about you, but this person is considered by many the best programmer in the world, one thing is certain, compared to the good done to the world, he's various levels above you and…
Your analogies are great, transmiting a clear picture of systemd, like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Professor...
Well, if Microsoft could, and did, port IE and Office to UNIX, why would the free and open software people have a problem in allowing more user choice? Why would they need to hard depend on software designed to be…
Not if Linus decided that, if the Linux Foundation decided that they wanted to switch the license to proprietary. See the mailing list message of Linus against deep integration between the kernel and systemd! > The…
Don't quote me on this, but I recall reading from official channels that the last Debian version without mandatory systemd is going to see its support period indefinitely extended for a long time. Good luck! :)
Who are this developers you keep talking about? When Microsoft bundled IE, WMP with Windows, we said, OK, developers decided that the benefit is worth the dependency, they'll do it, but we didn't like that, I'm not…
Not only udev, they roadmap is to pack the whole system so as to remove any difference between linux installs, their words, not mine. Currently, we can fork udev, but in the future, are you telling my to fork the whole…
Ok, I agree with you entirely, just a quick response because I was quoting and so have the responsibility to avoid distorting other people's words. This didn't happen 7-10 years ago, that's when it started, but this…
I happen to like modern daemontools-like init systems a lot, (runit, s6) but I use various init systems depending on what I want, and that's great IMO. The problem is that systemd is that is being forcefully pushed to…
In May 2004, a Debian packet maintainer (Eduard Bloch) started to send repeated personal insults to Jörg Schilling after one of Bloch's patch requests against mkisofs was rejected because it was full of bugs. In March…
cough FFmpeg cough
Your response only makes sense if your alternatives are: (1) systemd, (2) sysvinit and (3) a horrible death. I know dozens of init systems that do much more, markedly better than systemd, and are modular so you can…