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This is an amazing thread and dialog. I commend both of you for keeping it civil and respectful (exactly how Charlie would have wanted). Just two things to add: 1. Driving, cleaning agents and all the other examples are…
@zahlman your responses here are amazing and really articulate. I sincerely appreciate the effort. Thanks! Most people around the world who are criticizing Charlie’s philosophy and beliefs have never watched a long form…
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-allies-warn-a...
If you are concluding that he was a piece of shit based on what people have claimed here I would encourage you to see some of his videos for yourself. Here is an example of his interaction with a transgender male…
Which example are you referencing here?
Why does a group have to marginalized to be worthy of advocacy? Charlie only ever expressed his opinion in written and verbal form. That is the bare minimum requirement for free speech. Once you start getting to “oh but…
He was interfering with the arrest, recording video etc. At least he didn’t get assassinated for exercising his first amendment rights like Charlie.
> Do I find Charlie's death hilarious considering his stance on gun laws? Yes. In fact, I think maybe we should come up to something similar to the Herman Cain award, but for gun lovers. No one actively made fun of the…
Fair points. I was looking at it more from the perspective of star power and name recognition at such a young age. Also the fact that Taylor Swift causes irrational excitement among her followers and went out of her way…
You are correct. I reread how due process is supposed to work and the fifth and fourteenth amendments clearly say that it applies to “persons” and not just citizens or legal immigrants or anything like that. The…
That’s fair. And if they can be turned away from the border, then they can be deported too.
Many people here will tell you that cartoons represent violence, some types of speech represent violence etc. France no longer has free speech rights unless it is coming from the left
Removing the black and white people part makes it more relevant to the current times when it is not just black and white people but non negligible numbers of Hispanics, first peoples, Asians, Arabs and other minorities.
Indiscriminately is a loaded term. There is always some reasonable suspicion. Usually law enforcement always knows which pockets of a city, neighborhood have more illegal activity and can act based on that prior…
But this “right to go before a judge” can be misused because of how long the process can take. All immigrants are required by law to be able to prove their legal status, so the right to due process, fair trial etc…
It can be argued that a lot of this is falling into the slippery slope fallacy. Also the media doesn’t always report the full story. Often the people arrested have some small/medium offense from years ago. Unlikely to…
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This is an amazing thread and dialog. I commend both of you for keeping it civil and respectful (exactly how Charlie would have wanted). Just two things to add: 1. Driving, cleaning agents and all the other examples are…
@zahlman your responses here are amazing and really articulate. I sincerely appreciate the effort. Thanks! Most people around the world who are criticizing Charlie’s philosophy and beliefs have never watched a long form…
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-allies-warn-a...
If you are concluding that he was a piece of shit based on what people have claimed here I would encourage you to see some of his videos for yourself. Here is an example of his interaction with a transgender male…
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Which example are you referencing here?
Why does a group have to marginalized to be worthy of advocacy? Charlie only ever expressed his opinion in written and verbal form. That is the bare minimum requirement for free speech. Once you start getting to “oh but…
He was interfering with the arrest, recording video etc. At least he didn’t get assassinated for exercising his first amendment rights like Charlie.
> Do I find Charlie's death hilarious considering his stance on gun laws? Yes. In fact, I think maybe we should come up to something similar to the Herman Cain award, but for gun lovers. No one actively made fun of the…
Fair points. I was looking at it more from the perspective of star power and name recognition at such a young age. Also the fact that Taylor Swift causes irrational excitement among her followers and went out of her way…
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You are correct. I reread how due process is supposed to work and the fifth and fourteenth amendments clearly say that it applies to “persons” and not just citizens or legal immigrants or anything like that. The…
That’s fair. And if they can be turned away from the border, then they can be deported too.
Many people here will tell you that cartoons represent violence, some types of speech represent violence etc. France no longer has free speech rights unless it is coming from the left
Removing the black and white people part makes it more relevant to the current times when it is not just black and white people but non negligible numbers of Hispanics, first peoples, Asians, Arabs and other minorities.
Indiscriminately is a loaded term. There is always some reasonable suspicion. Usually law enforcement always knows which pockets of a city, neighborhood have more illegal activity and can act based on that prior…
But this “right to go before a judge” can be misused because of how long the process can take. All immigrants are required by law to be able to prove their legal status, so the right to due process, fair trial etc…
It can be argued that a lot of this is falling into the slippery slope fallacy. Also the media doesn’t always report the full story. Often the people arrested have some small/medium offense from years ago. Unlikely to…