In my experience code reviews are generally cursory and the emphasis on “readability” is more about a culture that seeks to treat programmers as fungible. Also complaints about APL’s lack of readability are never about…
Serious question: Why is readability so important? For me consistency is far more important than anything as subjective as readability. I’d rather be able to reason about a code in its own logic than feel comfortable…
Are you counting reading code while you’re developing it? That would sound strange to me. If you’re talking maintenance by someone other than the original developer the pattern I’ve seen is minimal engagement with the…
Just to double down here I took a code base written in this style (not exactly atw but inspired by him) and spent about a day expanding it to this point: https://codeberg.org/growler/k/src/branch/expand/a.c My guess is…
Hard disagree on code being read more often than it is written. I’ve never seen any study of this and in my experience it is not true. Most code reviews end up being perfunctory. Even calling that “reading” is generous.
Who said code written in this style is lazy?
All good decisions are a product of the particular circumstances in which they arise. This post seemed to be about generalizing that process which I would guess comes out of a supposition of fungiblity. As much as one…
Best guess is that your analysis is missing some detail. People not tools write programs. Also any serious discussion here ends up in politics. If you design your software so that the programmers are fungible then the…
Are you saying most employers are smart by default??
I think _all_ programming is about finding an appropriate DSL for the problem at hand. First you need to understand the “language” of the problem then you develop a “lingo”.
I’d bet that a lot of the work done with AI assistants is decidedly _not_ clever.
Losing control of a project is likely more due to the programmers on it than the tools they use. IMHO _anything_ done consistently can be reasoned about and if necessary undone.
The zoo is a collection of web interfaces to a number of array languages written by several people including ATW.
Perhaps a more precise question is whether you can write programs as performant as those written in C or Fortran and the answer is it depends on the program (and more likely the programmer). The languages tend to do…
I know you! We worked together for a MF at GS.
You could say you enjoy toodling on the piano but don’t understand why reading music has to be so hard. It doesn’t _stay_ hard and it opens up new avenues.
I may be reading too much into this but it sounds like you’re searching for templates to stimulate ideas similar to how there are examples for smaller puzzle type problems. I think most sizable stuff is proprietary. I…
Readable is probably in the eye of the beholder but here’s a partially expanded version of ngn/k https://codeberg.org/growler/k/src/branch/expand/a.c The expansion is mechanical and thus not really at attempt at…
It wasn’t Unicode but it wasn’t ASCII either. I think here unicode is probably shorthand for not ASCII.
I don't know. If you're writing Java you may not be working on the same types of problems.
This comment would seem to address the point of that joke
I had a similar-ish project a while ago. I enjoy doing the "Spelling Bee" game in The NY Times Games section. In the comments someone worried that there weren't enough arrangements to keep the game going very long. I…
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood the question.
The readme has links to various resources including tutorials: https://codeberg.org/ngn/k
Chet Baker - Let’s get lost Gerry Mulligan - Night Lights Also check out Bossa Nova by João Gilberto for a similar vibe but a different style.
In my experience code reviews are generally cursory and the emphasis on “readability” is more about a culture that seeks to treat programmers as fungible. Also complaints about APL’s lack of readability are never about…
Serious question: Why is readability so important? For me consistency is far more important than anything as subjective as readability. I’d rather be able to reason about a code in its own logic than feel comfortable…
Are you counting reading code while you’re developing it? That would sound strange to me. If you’re talking maintenance by someone other than the original developer the pattern I’ve seen is minimal engagement with the…
Just to double down here I took a code base written in this style (not exactly atw but inspired by him) and spent about a day expanding it to this point: https://codeberg.org/growler/k/src/branch/expand/a.c My guess is…
Hard disagree on code being read more often than it is written. I’ve never seen any study of this and in my experience it is not true. Most code reviews end up being perfunctory. Even calling that “reading” is generous.
Who said code written in this style is lazy?
All good decisions are a product of the particular circumstances in which they arise. This post seemed to be about generalizing that process which I would guess comes out of a supposition of fungiblity. As much as one…
Best guess is that your analysis is missing some detail. People not tools write programs. Also any serious discussion here ends up in politics. If you design your software so that the programmers are fungible then the…
Are you saying most employers are smart by default??
I think _all_ programming is about finding an appropriate DSL for the problem at hand. First you need to understand the “language” of the problem then you develop a “lingo”.
I’d bet that a lot of the work done with AI assistants is decidedly _not_ clever.
Losing control of a project is likely more due to the programmers on it than the tools they use. IMHO _anything_ done consistently can be reasoned about and if necessary undone.
The zoo is a collection of web interfaces to a number of array languages written by several people including ATW.
Perhaps a more precise question is whether you can write programs as performant as those written in C or Fortran and the answer is it depends on the program (and more likely the programmer). The languages tend to do…
I know you! We worked together for a MF at GS.
You could say you enjoy toodling on the piano but don’t understand why reading music has to be so hard. It doesn’t _stay_ hard and it opens up new avenues.
I may be reading too much into this but it sounds like you’re searching for templates to stimulate ideas similar to how there are examples for smaller puzzle type problems. I think most sizable stuff is proprietary. I…
Readable is probably in the eye of the beholder but here’s a partially expanded version of ngn/k https://codeberg.org/growler/k/src/branch/expand/a.c The expansion is mechanical and thus not really at attempt at…
It wasn’t Unicode but it wasn’t ASCII either. I think here unicode is probably shorthand for not ASCII.
I don't know. If you're writing Java you may not be working on the same types of problems.
This comment would seem to address the point of that joke
I had a similar-ish project a while ago. I enjoy doing the "Spelling Bee" game in The NY Times Games section. In the comments someone worried that there weren't enough arrangements to keep the game going very long. I…
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood the question.
The readme has links to various resources including tutorials: https://codeberg.org/ngn/k
Chet Baker - Let’s get lost Gerry Mulligan - Night Lights Also check out Bossa Nova by João Gilberto for a similar vibe but a different style.