To be clear: I support free speech and oppose censorship by government. I don't know how or why one would want to enforce these principles on businesses--let alone how it would not run contrary to the most basic…
No, I'm not arguing for "safe spaces" here at all. Nor am I suggesting students shouldn't "have to hear viewpoints they disagree with." I am arguing that, along with legal duties, Universities have an interest and an…
I was trying to leave law aside:) But, yes, Universities also have legal duties to their students. However, these vary significantly based on too many different factors to speak usefully in generalities (eg based on…
Successful graduates become alumni who make donations. To be clear, no one is suggesting that Universities should be "policing every dispute." I am stating that Universities can and do seek to create the most effective…
Are you really confused? Leaving the law & federal funding requirements aside, Universities seek to have successful graduates & thus it is in their best interest to provide an environment that equips their students to…
Thanks for saying this. Threads like this baffle me, make me sad and wonder if its time to just stop visiting this site. If you don’t mind being bullied, harassed, or threatened, that’s great, but it harms people.…
As soon as a senior executive becomes aware of any kind of illegal activity, malfeasance or behavior for which the company could be held liable, it becomes their responsibility. When Fowler reported her harassment &…
How people feel is irrelevant; but based on federal law, the US Constitution, whatever local laws there may be & decades of judicial precedent, what you describe would expose any US employer to an enormous amount of…
What gives you the impression that these specific people are bright? Or were never forced to conform? This is not how socially inept high school nerds behave; its how VC funded frat bros (who include their fraternity on…
If you work in the US, you are describing what lawyers will call a 'hostile workplace' when your employers are, based on your description alone, successfully sued for discrimination. This is not perfectly normal in any…
Sure, Sam Altman is impressive, but seems like you are underplaying Brown's actual experience--and I am not sure why it'd comparable anyway? As the son of a beloved governor, Brown not only grew up in state politics,…
Wow. I’m so confused by this. Sure, it makes sense that Altman would seek advice from Willie L. Brown Jr.—but why would Altman allow Brown to announce this in his newspaper column? And, even more bizarre-- why would…
No VC would invest in this. Beyond it not being monetizable, this is a bad idea for a variety of reasons, but nonetheless, such apps do actually already exist! These apps are pointless because, legally speaking, sex is…
Yes, that's what I'm saying? Hmmm. I'll try but maybe we are misunderstanding each other, because this doesn't seem debatable? There are rules that define what kind of defenses, mitigating circumstances, evidence can be…
I just meant I wouldn't respond to a comment about how actually corporations totally have state of minds and intentions. Sure, one could write laws where they did (just like you could write a law that says anything),…
I understand what you are asking & why you think there is an easy answer that I'm not giving you, but unfortunately, there isn't one. There's no easy explanation that wouldn't require learning or understanding criminal…
You seem to be kind of conflating ethics & civil disobedience? And expanding civil disobedience to include, for example, refusing to work assigned to you? The government does not require companies to comply with a…
Yes, Uber was using Greyball in cities where it was not operating legally, Portland amongst them. Uber publicly admitted they built it, that they were still using it, tried to defend its use (for driver safety), and…
This looks like a simple & potentially enlightening question, but, its more complicated than it appears & examples may only be more confusing:) Companies (tech & other) are sued literally all the time under RICO (which…
I don't know what you mean by legal definitions of evasion and obstruction. Legal definitions literally vary by jurisdiction, so how one jurisdiction defines a crime is legally different from others...because they pass…
I did not say that ideology does not matter. I asked why it should be relevant to the definition of a crime or whether or not it ought to be punished. (my words could've been tighter here: ideology, like civil…
a business is a business and a person is a person. there are no "not quite a person entities" (those are businesses) and there are no technicalities here that transform an economic exchange into a personal one. AKA: no,…
I am not sure why you think that companies do or should engage in civil disobedience. When companies want to change laws, they lobby the government, in part because telling one's employees to break the law is criminal…
No, civil disobedience is not permitted as a defense for humans in any jurisdiction that I am aware of. However, depending on the crime/charge, jurisdiction & relevant laws, it may be permitted to mitigate punishment…
No court has the power to grant Uber or any company the ability to operate nationally, let alone with immunity. There are many overlapping laws, in cities, states & counties. Uber is subject to all the relevant laws in…
To be clear: I support free speech and oppose censorship by government. I don't know how or why one would want to enforce these principles on businesses--let alone how it would not run contrary to the most basic…
No, I'm not arguing for "safe spaces" here at all. Nor am I suggesting students shouldn't "have to hear viewpoints they disagree with." I am arguing that, along with legal duties, Universities have an interest and an…
I was trying to leave law aside:) But, yes, Universities also have legal duties to their students. However, these vary significantly based on too many different factors to speak usefully in generalities (eg based on…
Successful graduates become alumni who make donations. To be clear, no one is suggesting that Universities should be "policing every dispute." I am stating that Universities can and do seek to create the most effective…
Are you really confused? Leaving the law & federal funding requirements aside, Universities seek to have successful graduates & thus it is in their best interest to provide an environment that equips their students to…
Thanks for saying this. Threads like this baffle me, make me sad and wonder if its time to just stop visiting this site. If you don’t mind being bullied, harassed, or threatened, that’s great, but it harms people.…
As soon as a senior executive becomes aware of any kind of illegal activity, malfeasance or behavior for which the company could be held liable, it becomes their responsibility. When Fowler reported her harassment &…
How people feel is irrelevant; but based on federal law, the US Constitution, whatever local laws there may be & decades of judicial precedent, what you describe would expose any US employer to an enormous amount of…
What gives you the impression that these specific people are bright? Or were never forced to conform? This is not how socially inept high school nerds behave; its how VC funded frat bros (who include their fraternity on…
If you work in the US, you are describing what lawyers will call a 'hostile workplace' when your employers are, based on your description alone, successfully sued for discrimination. This is not perfectly normal in any…
Sure, Sam Altman is impressive, but seems like you are underplaying Brown's actual experience--and I am not sure why it'd comparable anyway? As the son of a beloved governor, Brown not only grew up in state politics,…
Wow. I’m so confused by this. Sure, it makes sense that Altman would seek advice from Willie L. Brown Jr.—but why would Altman allow Brown to announce this in his newspaper column? And, even more bizarre-- why would…
No VC would invest in this. Beyond it not being monetizable, this is a bad idea for a variety of reasons, but nonetheless, such apps do actually already exist! These apps are pointless because, legally speaking, sex is…
Yes, that's what I'm saying? Hmmm. I'll try but maybe we are misunderstanding each other, because this doesn't seem debatable? There are rules that define what kind of defenses, mitigating circumstances, evidence can be…
I just meant I wouldn't respond to a comment about how actually corporations totally have state of minds and intentions. Sure, one could write laws where they did (just like you could write a law that says anything),…
I understand what you are asking & why you think there is an easy answer that I'm not giving you, but unfortunately, there isn't one. There's no easy explanation that wouldn't require learning or understanding criminal…
You seem to be kind of conflating ethics & civil disobedience? And expanding civil disobedience to include, for example, refusing to work assigned to you? The government does not require companies to comply with a…
Yes, Uber was using Greyball in cities where it was not operating legally, Portland amongst them. Uber publicly admitted they built it, that they were still using it, tried to defend its use (for driver safety), and…
This looks like a simple & potentially enlightening question, but, its more complicated than it appears & examples may only be more confusing:) Companies (tech & other) are sued literally all the time under RICO (which…
I don't know what you mean by legal definitions of evasion and obstruction. Legal definitions literally vary by jurisdiction, so how one jurisdiction defines a crime is legally different from others...because they pass…
I did not say that ideology does not matter. I asked why it should be relevant to the definition of a crime or whether or not it ought to be punished. (my words could've been tighter here: ideology, like civil…
a business is a business and a person is a person. there are no "not quite a person entities" (those are businesses) and there are no technicalities here that transform an economic exchange into a personal one. AKA: no,…
I am not sure why you think that companies do or should engage in civil disobedience. When companies want to change laws, they lobby the government, in part because telling one's employees to break the law is criminal…
No, civil disobedience is not permitted as a defense for humans in any jurisdiction that I am aware of. However, depending on the crime/charge, jurisdiction & relevant laws, it may be permitted to mitigate punishment…
No court has the power to grant Uber or any company the ability to operate nationally, let alone with immunity. There are many overlapping laws, in cities, states & counties. Uber is subject to all the relevant laws in…