I especially enjoy reading this from the school newspaper of the University where fun goes to die (my alma mater). :)
I will say this is something we've known for a while: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27885658/
Hi, I want to apologize. I was the one who did not see that you from the very beginning said you did not put much stock into the lab theory, and I basically ignored that. I didn't see it. I also did not read closely…
Hi you'll see elsewhere that I was very open about the fact that I, too, think an open and honest investigation from third parties is necessary. Seriously just search this page for "independent" or "investigation." I…
Yep, all we can do is estimate probabilities with the extremely limited data on hand.
And if you actually have been playing "devil's advocate" this whole time and don't believe the interpretation of facts that you've put forth, then that is very much "arguing in bad faith." You were not up front with…
All of this aside, the actual point I have been making the whole time is this: Do you think these two possibilities are equally likely? Do you think one is more likely than the other? Which? You say that you find the…
And you also don't have to take my word for it that virologists were concerned! See all these scientific review articles demonstrating that fact: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11779380/…
And you also don't have to take my word for it re: China's problem with zoonotic transmission. Here are scientific review articles that demonstrate that consensus: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26654122/…
Also, I just want to reiterate here, we virologists have literally been saying this is going to happen from nature FOR YEARS. People like Michael Osterholm and Peter Daszak and Vincent Muenster and Ralph Baric and Shi…
But these are permalinks? This is like linking to a github. It doesn't just "disappear." Unless Reddit goes under, which is just as likely as StackOverflow or HN going under. At this point, with their market cap and…
yeah, not in the time frame available or with the tools available. It would either have to be some hidden virus that they all lied about, or somehow an unknown contaminant in their samples that then also disappeared…
Honestly, can't find it. It was in some random facebook group about this stuff, I joined a couple dozen as the pandemic went on, so hard to find which one and my activity log search isn't turning up anything. Sorry. :(…
>Everyone knows that mutations that increase transmissability generally hurt morbidity. Is there some reason you think this supports zoonotic hypothesis? It is public knowledge RaTG13 was collected from a mine shaft…
Honestly it's really really hard to say for sure. It's not super likely, because we don't have the epidemiological data (increased deaths from non-influenza pneumonia at a large scale) to support that, to my knowledge.…
Here are a lot of other experts (and surveys of experts) who agree the lab leak is less likely: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid19_did...
Yes! And that is how most virologists (myself included) feel about this whole thing. Zoonosis is just a lot more likely.
Hi, you're probably right it isn't possible to know 100% the origin at this point. All we can do is make probabilistic arguments. Inferences. Inductive reasoning. And that sort of analysis, occam's razor based on the…
Hi, difference is I actually admit these things are possible and have happened before. But this event doesn't look anything like those other lab release events. See here:…
Best epidemiological and genetic evidence suggests it originated somewhere outside Wuhan and then became a serious outbreak there as it's a major population center.…
Yep, agreed on all 3 counts.
Also, btw, month at the LONGEST for that ACE2 cloning. An experienced cloner using In-Fusion could probably do it in like a week. Or two weeks.
>Your comments on mutation rates confirm that RaTG13 is not closely related to COV (we knew that) and imply we should expect to find a closer relative. Yet we haven't. And the paper you share argues (again) against your…
Sorry I accidentally linked to SH01 in here instead of the korean strain. here's the correct one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MT039890 And here also is an Australian strain from the beginning of the pandemic…
Or to be fair, I should say: I will try harder next time, I guess. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can certainly make an effort. Right now I don't really see what specific criticisms you're…
I especially enjoy reading this from the school newspaper of the University where fun goes to die (my alma mater). :)
I will say this is something we've known for a while: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27885658/
Hi, I want to apologize. I was the one who did not see that you from the very beginning said you did not put much stock into the lab theory, and I basically ignored that. I didn't see it. I also did not read closely…
Hi you'll see elsewhere that I was very open about the fact that I, too, think an open and honest investigation from third parties is necessary. Seriously just search this page for "independent" or "investigation." I…
Yep, all we can do is estimate probabilities with the extremely limited data on hand.
And if you actually have been playing "devil's advocate" this whole time and don't believe the interpretation of facts that you've put forth, then that is very much "arguing in bad faith." You were not up front with…
All of this aside, the actual point I have been making the whole time is this: Do you think these two possibilities are equally likely? Do you think one is more likely than the other? Which? You say that you find the…
And you also don't have to take my word for it that virologists were concerned! See all these scientific review articles demonstrating that fact: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11779380/…
And you also don't have to take my word for it re: China's problem with zoonotic transmission. Here are scientific review articles that demonstrate that consensus: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26654122/…
Also, I just want to reiterate here, we virologists have literally been saying this is going to happen from nature FOR YEARS. People like Michael Osterholm and Peter Daszak and Vincent Muenster and Ralph Baric and Shi…
But these are permalinks? This is like linking to a github. It doesn't just "disappear." Unless Reddit goes under, which is just as likely as StackOverflow or HN going under. At this point, with their market cap and…
yeah, not in the time frame available or with the tools available. It would either have to be some hidden virus that they all lied about, or somehow an unknown contaminant in their samples that then also disappeared…
Honestly, can't find it. It was in some random facebook group about this stuff, I joined a couple dozen as the pandemic went on, so hard to find which one and my activity log search isn't turning up anything. Sorry. :(…
>Everyone knows that mutations that increase transmissability generally hurt morbidity. Is there some reason you think this supports zoonotic hypothesis? It is public knowledge RaTG13 was collected from a mine shaft…
Honestly it's really really hard to say for sure. It's not super likely, because we don't have the epidemiological data (increased deaths from non-influenza pneumonia at a large scale) to support that, to my knowledge.…
Here are a lot of other experts (and surveys of experts) who agree the lab leak is less likely: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid19_did...
Yes! And that is how most virologists (myself included) feel about this whole thing. Zoonosis is just a lot more likely.
Hi, you're probably right it isn't possible to know 100% the origin at this point. All we can do is make probabilistic arguments. Inferences. Inductive reasoning. And that sort of analysis, occam's razor based on the…
Hi, difference is I actually admit these things are possible and have happened before. But this event doesn't look anything like those other lab release events. See here:…
Best epidemiological and genetic evidence suggests it originated somewhere outside Wuhan and then became a serious outbreak there as it's a major population center.…
Yep, agreed on all 3 counts.
Also, btw, month at the LONGEST for that ACE2 cloning. An experienced cloner using In-Fusion could probably do it in like a week. Or two weeks.
>Your comments on mutation rates confirm that RaTG13 is not closely related to COV (we knew that) and imply we should expect to find a closer relative. Yet we haven't. And the paper you share argues (again) against your…
Sorry I accidentally linked to SH01 in here instead of the korean strain. here's the correct one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MT039890 And here also is an Australian strain from the beginning of the pandemic…
Or to be fair, I should say: I will try harder next time, I guess. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can certainly make an effort. Right now I don't really see what specific criticisms you're…