This is exactly why I stopped posting here. I've sent an email to YDN. I'm sure they don't want this kind of representation out on the open internet.
> A decent portion of the population against downvoting aren't against downvoting per se, it's downvoting without a comment or counterargument. I would absolutely agree with this statement.
I don't think a quota makes sense. But a comment/vote does. I don't want to limit the amount of times a person can disagree with me (at risk of allowing for disagreeable persons).
It seems though, that people are assigning an equivalence of "agree" to "has value", and "disagree" to "doesn't have value". At least this is how I've been registering the use of the vote. Opinions appear to vary wildly…
This whole thread should be captured in time as an example of rampant abuse of the modding system.
The simple fix that's been recommended quite a few times here, that of requiring a comment for each upmod and downmod, seems to me a reasonable and minimal fix that makes the user more judicious with their votes.
I don't think you understand the "be civil" part of the guidelines. You asked a question, got a civil answer and responded really rather rudely. At first I thought this elblanco guy was a bit whiny as well, but now I'm…
> It seems to me that someone thin-skinned enough to cease posting his opinions because his comments get downvoted (rather than reconsidering how he comments and seeing if he can improve how he comments) might be…
The flag mechanism already exists to deal with true trash if I'm not mistaken. It seems to me, respectfully, that using the downvote to try and clean the community is like a small-town sheriff trying to keep the…
Maybe only downmods force a user to "spend" karma? This would weed out habitual downmodders.
I don't think you're right. The reasons seem to be that people are downmodding as a social normalization function. It's like saying "don't post more like that please". I think you are taking downmods a bit too…
After following this topic for a while, it seems that the main problem is objection to comment-less downmods, not downmods in principle.
This seems like a cool idea, just not sure how it could be implemented. Any examples of something like this you know of?
Even then, I think the scores for each should be bifurcated so that people can see the number of "worth reading" vs. "not worth reading" votes, and the same for agree/disagree. I think the practice should at least be…
I think that it also seems to "taint" an entire thread the same as "leper unclean!". Especially when I see an entire thread of negative scores, I know that somebody has a chip on their shoulder for whoever steps in that…
I can say, as a new guy, that I would participate more if that were the case.
upvoted because that comment made too much sense to sit at 0.
I'm new here, but I've always assumed (by how they are used) that downvotes were for pure disagreement.
I vote for something like this. I'm new here, but far too often I see thoughtful posts like this being hit hard. Here's a guy, obviously with some ideas banging around in his head, who feels (rightly or wrongly) that…
You are right, Dell used to give out restore disks that locked to Dell hardware. They'd even give an appropriate error on non-Dell hardware. I don't think anybody cared to subvert it since it as usually COTS software…
Apple would have to build some pretty heavyweight DRM into the OS. Something that subverting would cause the OS to become crippled.
Apple would have to get their playback environment up to media center standards. Even the Apple TV was a usability nightmare by home theater standards.
Well, the point is is that while maybe the guts are off-the-shelf, but the system design is not.
>not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness Well, it is a cheap combo. ;)
You can keep lowering your component prices on your list till this makes sense to you. But let's be honest, you'd buy this machine no matter what because that's simply what you are into. The value proposition argument…
This is exactly why I stopped posting here. I've sent an email to YDN. I'm sure they don't want this kind of representation out on the open internet.
> A decent portion of the population against downvoting aren't against downvoting per se, it's downvoting without a comment or counterargument. I would absolutely agree with this statement.
I don't think a quota makes sense. But a comment/vote does. I don't want to limit the amount of times a person can disagree with me (at risk of allowing for disagreeable persons).
It seems though, that people are assigning an equivalence of "agree" to "has value", and "disagree" to "doesn't have value". At least this is how I've been registering the use of the vote. Opinions appear to vary wildly…
This whole thread should be captured in time as an example of rampant abuse of the modding system.
The simple fix that's been recommended quite a few times here, that of requiring a comment for each upmod and downmod, seems to me a reasonable and minimal fix that makes the user more judicious with their votes.
I don't think you understand the "be civil" part of the guidelines. You asked a question, got a civil answer and responded really rather rudely. At first I thought this elblanco guy was a bit whiny as well, but now I'm…
> It seems to me that someone thin-skinned enough to cease posting his opinions because his comments get downvoted (rather than reconsidering how he comments and seeing if he can improve how he comments) might be…
The flag mechanism already exists to deal with true trash if I'm not mistaken. It seems to me, respectfully, that using the downvote to try and clean the community is like a small-town sheriff trying to keep the…
Maybe only downmods force a user to "spend" karma? This would weed out habitual downmodders.
I don't think you're right. The reasons seem to be that people are downmodding as a social normalization function. It's like saying "don't post more like that please". I think you are taking downmods a bit too…
After following this topic for a while, it seems that the main problem is objection to comment-less downmods, not downmods in principle.
This seems like a cool idea, just not sure how it could be implemented. Any examples of something like this you know of?
Even then, I think the scores for each should be bifurcated so that people can see the number of "worth reading" vs. "not worth reading" votes, and the same for agree/disagree. I think the practice should at least be…
I think that it also seems to "taint" an entire thread the same as "leper unclean!". Especially when I see an entire thread of negative scores, I know that somebody has a chip on their shoulder for whoever steps in that…
I can say, as a new guy, that I would participate more if that were the case.
upvoted because that comment made too much sense to sit at 0.
I'm new here, but I've always assumed (by how they are used) that downvotes were for pure disagreement.
I vote for something like this. I'm new here, but far too often I see thoughtful posts like this being hit hard. Here's a guy, obviously with some ideas banging around in his head, who feels (rightly or wrongly) that…
You are right, Dell used to give out restore disks that locked to Dell hardware. They'd even give an appropriate error on non-Dell hardware. I don't think anybody cared to subvert it since it as usually COTS software…
Apple would have to build some pretty heavyweight DRM into the OS. Something that subverting would cause the OS to become crippled.
Apple would have to get their playback environment up to media center standards. Even the Apple TV was a usability nightmare by home theater standards.
Well, the point is is that while maybe the guts are off-the-shelf, but the system design is not.
>not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness Well, it is a cheap combo. ;)
You can keep lowering your component prices on your list till this makes sense to you. But let's be honest, you'd buy this machine no matter what because that's simply what you are into. The value proposition argument…