Fair. But as long as I keep coming across racially insensitive comments like in the original post, and commenters who strongly believe these kinds of comments are a legitimate perspective, I'm not going to be able to…
Ah yes, another top-tier scientific publication: Vox. Was that research peer-reviewed by Cosmo? I'm delighted that you think that puts the issue of bias in hiring to rest. Clearly sexism and racism were abstract…
> If you witnessed your company wrongfully reject women candidates from the hiring process then by all means your company was biased against women. This is a part of it. There is also an unconscious bias against women…
Selection bias pushes men towards high-status, high-paying fields and women towards low-paying, pink collar fields. You do realize that if one sector disproportionately hires men, then there are a disproportionately…
>Do you really think that a company can achieve 50% women in tech without biasing their interview process in favor of women? I strongly recommend looking up the word "bias" in the dictionary. Systemic and institutional…
Yes, underrepresentation of the population is literally the definition of bias. Unless you want to go with the tautological nonsense you're doubling down on. And you're once again insisting that racial slurs are just as…
> Anyway, it is a sad read for people like me who don't get preferential treatment. Yup, we marginalized groups get all the breaks. /s
> So the answer is yes? Companies should strive to be 50/50 men and women tech roles even though the ratio in the workforce is 80/20? The answer is: "No, I do not see the obvious circular logic." The tech sector is…
> So tech companies should strive to be 50% women even though the tech industry is only 20% female (or slightly less)? You seem to not understand what the term "representative" means. Or notice the circular logic…
Overrepresentation of the population. Do I really need to explain how 23% compares to 50%? And I'm offended because it's wildly offensive. You've repeatedly insisted racial slurs aren't so bad, and diverse hiring…
> You correctly highlight that diverse workers are often subject to more bullying and harassment. On the other hand, many tech companies do discriminate in hiring and that results in greater opportunities being extended…
> This kind of rejection of different worldviews is the antithesis of inclusion. Ah yes, the old "You're intolerant of our intolerance" chestnut. Every post of yours is just doubling down on insistently denying the…
> Right, they are different. [Racial slurs] make people uncomfortable or alienated at their job. [Diverse hiring] keeps people from getting jobs in the first place on the basis of race and gender. Which one is more…
And you do realize that you're equating diverse hiring efforts with getting called racial slurs on the job, yes? Those are two very different definitions of "actual" racism. And rather supports the breathtakingly racist…
And I've heard hiring managers say racist and sexist comments on prospective employees all throughout my career. And neglect to mentor or promote them. And freeze them out of the team. I suppose the strawman you've set…
How many times do I have to re-quote your own words to yourself? Did you not say the following? > Many see getting called slurs as a small price to pay to get a chance to break into tech. Because that's a…
> Also, the notion that racial slurs are "the price of admission" is something you seem to have brought up - not me > Many see getting called slurs as a small price to pay to get a chance to break into tech. I'm still…
> Many see getting called slurs as a small price to pay to get a chance to break into tech. No, no they really dont! What a horrifying thing to say. Normalizing racial and sexual harassment is a large part of the…
No, it's actually contradicting your above answers.
Varies by industry and sector, but there's typically no "technical". It goes: 1) Resume + cover letter + cumbersome online job app, 2) phone screen, 3) On-site, and 4) Reference check. Typically the interviews are more…
Jumping ship for a promotion at the original company is a super common strategy in other sectors too.
No, it's not an SF Bay Area thing. I've moved to SF from the Midwest a year ago, and have been called racial slurs more times during my year here than in my entire adult life living in a medium-sized Midwestern town.…
...So you're confirming that if you hire the most qualified candidate, and they happen to be a minority, you consider it a "diversity hire"? Welp.
If we could quantify the net effects of sexism and racism in hiring and attrition, we could compare whether the incentives mentioned offset the sexism and racism equivalently. But, since we don't have a means of doing…
Diversity hire, not diversity.
Fair. But as long as I keep coming across racially insensitive comments like in the original post, and commenters who strongly believe these kinds of comments are a legitimate perspective, I'm not going to be able to…
Ah yes, another top-tier scientific publication: Vox. Was that research peer-reviewed by Cosmo? I'm delighted that you think that puts the issue of bias in hiring to rest. Clearly sexism and racism were abstract…
> If you witnessed your company wrongfully reject women candidates from the hiring process then by all means your company was biased against women. This is a part of it. There is also an unconscious bias against women…
Selection bias pushes men towards high-status, high-paying fields and women towards low-paying, pink collar fields. You do realize that if one sector disproportionately hires men, then there are a disproportionately…
>Do you really think that a company can achieve 50% women in tech without biasing their interview process in favor of women? I strongly recommend looking up the word "bias" in the dictionary. Systemic and institutional…
Yes, underrepresentation of the population is literally the definition of bias. Unless you want to go with the tautological nonsense you're doubling down on. And you're once again insisting that racial slurs are just as…
> Anyway, it is a sad read for people like me who don't get preferential treatment. Yup, we marginalized groups get all the breaks. /s
> So the answer is yes? Companies should strive to be 50/50 men and women tech roles even though the ratio in the workforce is 80/20? The answer is: "No, I do not see the obvious circular logic." The tech sector is…
> So tech companies should strive to be 50% women even though the tech industry is only 20% female (or slightly less)? You seem to not understand what the term "representative" means. Or notice the circular logic…
Overrepresentation of the population. Do I really need to explain how 23% compares to 50%? And I'm offended because it's wildly offensive. You've repeatedly insisted racial slurs aren't so bad, and diverse hiring…
> You correctly highlight that diverse workers are often subject to more bullying and harassment. On the other hand, many tech companies do discriminate in hiring and that results in greater opportunities being extended…
> This kind of rejection of different worldviews is the antithesis of inclusion. Ah yes, the old "You're intolerant of our intolerance" chestnut. Every post of yours is just doubling down on insistently denying the…
> Right, they are different. [Racial slurs] make people uncomfortable or alienated at their job. [Diverse hiring] keeps people from getting jobs in the first place on the basis of race and gender. Which one is more…
And you do realize that you're equating diverse hiring efforts with getting called racial slurs on the job, yes? Those are two very different definitions of "actual" racism. And rather supports the breathtakingly racist…
And I've heard hiring managers say racist and sexist comments on prospective employees all throughout my career. And neglect to mentor or promote them. And freeze them out of the team. I suppose the strawman you've set…
How many times do I have to re-quote your own words to yourself? Did you not say the following? > Many see getting called slurs as a small price to pay to get a chance to break into tech. Because that's a…
> Also, the notion that racial slurs are "the price of admission" is something you seem to have brought up - not me > Many see getting called slurs as a small price to pay to get a chance to break into tech. I'm still…
> Many see getting called slurs as a small price to pay to get a chance to break into tech. No, no they really dont! What a horrifying thing to say. Normalizing racial and sexual harassment is a large part of the…
No, it's actually contradicting your above answers.
Varies by industry and sector, but there's typically no "technical". It goes: 1) Resume + cover letter + cumbersome online job app, 2) phone screen, 3) On-site, and 4) Reference check. Typically the interviews are more…
Jumping ship for a promotion at the original company is a super common strategy in other sectors too.
No, it's not an SF Bay Area thing. I've moved to SF from the Midwest a year ago, and have been called racial slurs more times during my year here than in my entire adult life living in a medium-sized Midwestern town.…
...So you're confirming that if you hire the most qualified candidate, and they happen to be a minority, you consider it a "diversity hire"? Welp.
If we could quantify the net effects of sexism and racism in hiring and attrition, we could compare whether the incentives mentioned offset the sexism and racism equivalently. But, since we don't have a means of doing…
Diversity hire, not diversity.