Isn't that more predictable though, if you know that Google Play Services does shady stuff? :) Compared to, say, random Magisk modules or some random crap the OEM developed?
The thing is, the whole topic is not fully binary. I agree with you that having a rootable phone does increase security in certain ways. > What doesn't increase security is when bank apps that are essential to daily…
It is not the minimum standard for computers. Why should it be for TVs?
Yet here we are, in this thread, discussing why LG is spying on us. While some stuff are legit issues such as ADR, people now think they are wire-tapping. Because somebody used a rooted device to show-case recording…
I agree on the dark patterns. And I do not claim that ACR and all the privacy violating crap bundled into modern devices is good. No, it is evil. However, just because your TV does ACR, does not immediately mean they…
How do you build reputation if everyone starts tells you to build reputation first? You have to start somewhere. Better makes sense to start looking at the arguments rather than the author. It also helps you train your…
> Many rooted devices display during boot a warning that they have been rooted. Usually, this happens after a bootloader unlock because then verified boot is disabled. You can still have a rooted device and not break…
1. Ad hominem. 2. No, LG is not perfect here and their TVs are bloated as fuck and they do questionable things privacy-wise. However, that still does not mean that they listen on every conversation, as shown in the…
I know people here do not want to hear it, but it is a very two-sided sword. Of course root allows you to tinker with your device and make it run what you want, but: - Rooted devices make devices unpredictable. As shown…
The bad idea is that by rooting, you can (of course) turn your device into a 24/7 surveillance device that sends voice and video data everywhere. That does not mean that LG does all that by default.
Some attacks shown on the video (like the "silent" voice recording) are initiated by the people in the video manually running those commands via SSH. This is the major issue with this video: It mixes stuff done by LG…
They still run the audio recording manually through SSH and then claim that your TV is spying on your private conversations "silently". Otherwise, they start a voice command service (clearly displayed on the screen) and…
You can see them running "nohup arecord" in the video.
This is because they rooted the TV. They can just start a capture, record to RAM / storage, and retrieve it later when it is reconnected to the network. Otherwise if it's disconnected, it is still hard to exfiltrate the…
But weren't most recordings manually started in the video? Either through the UI, or via the root access they have? I might be missing something here, but I did not see the TV automatically recording stuff by itself (or…
Granted, I only watched one hour of the original video, but I get the feeling the way it is presented is a bit dishonest. A lot of the "silent listening" they show in the video is on a TV they rooted. They start…
Isn't that more predictable though, if you know that Google Play Services does shady stuff? :) Compared to, say, random Magisk modules or some random crap the OEM developed?
The thing is, the whole topic is not fully binary. I agree with you that having a rootable phone does increase security in certain ways. > What doesn't increase security is when bank apps that are essential to daily…
It is not the minimum standard for computers. Why should it be for TVs?
Yet here we are, in this thread, discussing why LG is spying on us. While some stuff are legit issues such as ADR, people now think they are wire-tapping. Because somebody used a rooted device to show-case recording…
I agree on the dark patterns. And I do not claim that ACR and all the privacy violating crap bundled into modern devices is good. No, it is evil. However, just because your TV does ACR, does not immediately mean they…
How do you build reputation if everyone starts tells you to build reputation first? You have to start somewhere. Better makes sense to start looking at the arguments rather than the author. It also helps you train your…
> Many rooted devices display during boot a warning that they have been rooted. Usually, this happens after a bootloader unlock because then verified boot is disabled. You can still have a rooted device and not break…
1. Ad hominem. 2. No, LG is not perfect here and their TVs are bloated as fuck and they do questionable things privacy-wise. However, that still does not mean that they listen on every conversation, as shown in the…
I know people here do not want to hear it, but it is a very two-sided sword. Of course root allows you to tinker with your device and make it run what you want, but: - Rooted devices make devices unpredictable. As shown…
The bad idea is that by rooting, you can (of course) turn your device into a 24/7 surveillance device that sends voice and video data everywhere. That does not mean that LG does all that by default.
Some attacks shown on the video (like the "silent" voice recording) are initiated by the people in the video manually running those commands via SSH. This is the major issue with this video: It mixes stuff done by LG…
They still run the audio recording manually through SSH and then claim that your TV is spying on your private conversations "silently". Otherwise, they start a voice command service (clearly displayed on the screen) and…
You can see them running "nohup arecord" in the video.
This is because they rooted the TV. They can just start a capture, record to RAM / storage, and retrieve it later when it is reconnected to the network. Otherwise if it's disconnected, it is still hard to exfiltrate the…
But weren't most recordings manually started in the video? Either through the UI, or via the root access they have? I might be missing something here, but I did not see the TV automatically recording stuff by itself (or…
Granted, I only watched one hour of the original video, but I get the feeling the way it is presented is a bit dishonest. A lot of the "silent listening" they show in the video is on a TV they rooted. They start…