Oh! A moderator! How nice of you to arrive. No need to worry, I won't be coming back.
>I would like to offer another point of view Honestly, I don't give a shit about "another point of view," and that you think it matters here is a great illustration of why women would run for the hills, whichever hills…
This is nonsense, you're comparing "let's chat with each other" with lynchings. Problem: Women feel they don't have anyone to talk to about their experiences as a woman in tech. Solution: Increase their access to people…
>Tech pushes many people out, male and female. Even if the men in tech are the same, what about the men who would like to be in tech but were pushed out? Or are all men the same? I'd wager most men "pushed out" of tech…
That's not the real question, you're pretending context doesn't matter. What's your argument? Women say "I enjoy having a place to communicate with other women in a place that feels safe from male interference," and…
This seems like a disingenuous decontextualization of what was said. Your link to dictionary.com says this: >to initiate or precipitate (a chain of events, scientific reaction, psychological process, etc.)…
The only way you'd be able to say "groups like this won't fix feelings of isolation!" is if you ignored all the women in this comment section saying it has definitely helped their feelings of isolation. Which I guess…
How convenient that pointing out discrimination ends up getting painted as bigotry. Do you think colleges having black student unions is "bigotry" too?
You know how right now you're offended, and feeling left out just because of your gender? That's how some women in tech feel all the time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16160940
I disagree that white nationalists have a similar view, though it's interesting that someone linked to a forum where women can feel safe from attack in discussions and we're currently debating their similarities to…
As I noted above, "advantage" was the wrong word, my apologies. There's tons of information out there about the disproportionate number of men working in tech, to say nothing of the salary discrepancies that cause so…
>Why would fighting racism with racism or sexism with sexism be a productive method of correcting imbalances? Wouldn't that just fuel and maintain the disdain between groups? Is this the "all lives matter!" response to…
>What problem is this intended to solve that isn't solved by moderation policies and forum culture? I think this comment thread is a pretty good illustration of the problem. A group of women are saying, "hey, we think…
You're conflating "excluded from a web forum" with "excluded from society." The whole point of groups like Leap is BECAUSE those members want everyone working together -- they're not in their clubhouse plotting the…
>Your community's design actively fosters hate and exclusion due to something I can not control. The tech community fosters hate and exclusion of women due to something THEY can't control. This is an attempt to remedy…
>A group does not "want" anything. I disagree. A group of women is saying they feel marginalized and want to develop a community of support. Men, particularly ones in this awful comment section are saying "NO FAIR!!!"…
>Wouldn't Leap be unfair in the same way? This assumption completely disregards the measurable advantage men have in the tech community. If you have identical programs, one for a historically disenfranchised group, and…
I can't imagine why a group wouldn't want you in their project.
>I am a bit triggered. This is tangential to your point, but I'm pretty sure what you're referring to isn't being "triggered." It's, I don't know, disagreeing? It has a specific and important definition, and it seems to…
I agree that the odds of "society" dissolving are very small. However, the penalty for encountering a blizzard without preparation -- maybe not having enough food to eat full meals for, say, a week -- is FAR lower than…
Degrees of suffering! How many people in Norway died from not being able to afford a trip to the hospital? How many medical bankruptcies have there been on that entire continent? Any at all?
Sorry, I realize now that I may have sounded sarcastic. I really was curious, this makes sense. Thanks for responding.
>could likely launch a cubesat with some sort of bacterial payload that would eventually get to Mars Curious how this might work, given the energy required not only to escape Earth's orbit, but to get into another one…
This isn't what happened at all, and I suspect you know that. For starters, the dossier wasn't the beginning of the investigation, as we've seen in multiple articles that came out over the last few weeks. Also, Trump…
The cop said it wasn't her fault, she didn't do anything wrong, but ALSO that "you need to make sure that you never do this again." How is she supposed to do that? The cop is pretending to absolve her of guilt while…
Oh! A moderator! How nice of you to arrive. No need to worry, I won't be coming back.
>I would like to offer another point of view Honestly, I don't give a shit about "another point of view," and that you think it matters here is a great illustration of why women would run for the hills, whichever hills…
This is nonsense, you're comparing "let's chat with each other" with lynchings. Problem: Women feel they don't have anyone to talk to about their experiences as a woman in tech. Solution: Increase their access to people…
>Tech pushes many people out, male and female. Even if the men in tech are the same, what about the men who would like to be in tech but were pushed out? Or are all men the same? I'd wager most men "pushed out" of tech…
That's not the real question, you're pretending context doesn't matter. What's your argument? Women say "I enjoy having a place to communicate with other women in a place that feels safe from male interference," and…
This seems like a disingenuous decontextualization of what was said. Your link to dictionary.com says this: >to initiate or precipitate (a chain of events, scientific reaction, psychological process, etc.)…
The only way you'd be able to say "groups like this won't fix feelings of isolation!" is if you ignored all the women in this comment section saying it has definitely helped their feelings of isolation. Which I guess…
How convenient that pointing out discrimination ends up getting painted as bigotry. Do you think colleges having black student unions is "bigotry" too?
You know how right now you're offended, and feeling left out just because of your gender? That's how some women in tech feel all the time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16160940
I disagree that white nationalists have a similar view, though it's interesting that someone linked to a forum where women can feel safe from attack in discussions and we're currently debating their similarities to…
As I noted above, "advantage" was the wrong word, my apologies. There's tons of information out there about the disproportionate number of men working in tech, to say nothing of the salary discrepancies that cause so…
>Why would fighting racism with racism or sexism with sexism be a productive method of correcting imbalances? Wouldn't that just fuel and maintain the disdain between groups? Is this the "all lives matter!" response to…
>What problem is this intended to solve that isn't solved by moderation policies and forum culture? I think this comment thread is a pretty good illustration of the problem. A group of women are saying, "hey, we think…
You're conflating "excluded from a web forum" with "excluded from society." The whole point of groups like Leap is BECAUSE those members want everyone working together -- they're not in their clubhouse plotting the…
>Your community's design actively fosters hate and exclusion due to something I can not control. The tech community fosters hate and exclusion of women due to something THEY can't control. This is an attempt to remedy…
>A group does not "want" anything. I disagree. A group of women is saying they feel marginalized and want to develop a community of support. Men, particularly ones in this awful comment section are saying "NO FAIR!!!"…
>Wouldn't Leap be unfair in the same way? This assumption completely disregards the measurable advantage men have in the tech community. If you have identical programs, one for a historically disenfranchised group, and…
I can't imagine why a group wouldn't want you in their project.
>I am a bit triggered. This is tangential to your point, but I'm pretty sure what you're referring to isn't being "triggered." It's, I don't know, disagreeing? It has a specific and important definition, and it seems to…
I agree that the odds of "society" dissolving are very small. However, the penalty for encountering a blizzard without preparation -- maybe not having enough food to eat full meals for, say, a week -- is FAR lower than…
Degrees of suffering! How many people in Norway died from not being able to afford a trip to the hospital? How many medical bankruptcies have there been on that entire continent? Any at all?
Sorry, I realize now that I may have sounded sarcastic. I really was curious, this makes sense. Thanks for responding.
>could likely launch a cubesat with some sort of bacterial payload that would eventually get to Mars Curious how this might work, given the energy required not only to escape Earth's orbit, but to get into another one…
This isn't what happened at all, and I suspect you know that. For starters, the dossier wasn't the beginning of the investigation, as we've seen in multiple articles that came out over the last few weeks. Also, Trump…
The cop said it wasn't her fault, she didn't do anything wrong, but ALSO that "you need to make sure that you never do this again." How is she supposed to do that? The cop is pretending to absolve her of guilt while…