> I should have clarify, I'm part of a local group, itself part of a network of groups. Which is great! Though my understanding is a big weakness of the ACLU/EFF/etc... crowd is that they typically pigeonhole…
And what sort of regulations did you have in mind that don't primarily punish the users?
The social media you don't want will continue to scale.
Meta is publicly posting ads in Europe promoting age verification, so yes Meta is a part of the problem.
I find that particularly unrealistic that we can arrive at a good place solely by fining companies for data breaches.
As cynical as it sounds given its frequent use in marketing and often inappropriate use in legal circles, securing what data is collected is important too. Raise the bar for a data breach. It has value. Much more value…
Not every lawmaker is the same and there's more than one way to get a lawmaker's attention. Get more people with you. Or convince a group that's previously established trust in your jurisdiction to join you in speaking…
Law alone cannot fix it. Tech alone cannot fix it. If we wish to preserve the values we grew up with, we need both.
Such spaces will never scale if there's widespread legal prohibitions. It is foolish to assume we can innovate our way around the law as opposed to talking with lawmakers to oppose the law before it gets on the books.
> Cool, ignore my point about technology changing the situation. I assume you’ll ignore Jefferson talking about how the constitution should be changed every 19-20 years because the world changed. The Constitution…
Don't mistake cynicism for knowledge.
> it's actually clear that you are the one who isn't familiar with this, I referenced remote attestation which you appear to know little about as it addresses the problem of identifying information (the service has no…
> at the terminus, yes. there is no other way to avoid the homeless problem you listed. by terminus I am referring to where a central authority vouches for unforgability. this does not mean advertisers will have a token…
Wait - so you're advocating for use of a persistent identifier tied to a person? How is that any different than what advertising networks do right now beyond giving them additional guaranteed information of your age…
So....what exactly would platform detection mechanisms be basing their decisions off of that wouldn't defeat the entire privacy-preserving premise of ZKP?
Okay - so you verify age and what else? What combination of details can you validate on that is meaningfully privacy-preserving and couldn't result in wide-spread re-use of tokens? Additionally - what would prevent some…
The first amendment doesn't have a clause that exempts Americans from anonymous speech if it's possible a foreigner could inadvertently take advantage of the freedom too. You may as well advocate for no one to be…
It's about as meaningful a framing as asking if you favor world peace and ending world hunger.
Zero Knowledge Proofs are worthless for this. Either they validate so little information that a single homeless person can authenticate the entire country or they validate so much information as to not have a…
OAuth 2.0 is a hate crime against security given its complexity.
Coalitions help. Getting local government agencies on your side to promote local government policy helps. Same concept applies to federal.
Why not look at almost every single interest group that has managed to influence local politics? Ever pay attention to all those groups (private sector or otherwise) that end up influencing policy creation? Ever think…
Cynicism isn't knowledge. Cynicism isn't an assessment. Cynicism is an assumption. Cynicism is emotional armor because the thought of caring again and the risk of it not panning out is more painful than not caring at…
It represents an increase in cost to use the service. Most such services have a wealth of competitors for your time and attention. "Need" is an extremely strong word that is not appropriate for many Internet services…
That remains to be seen. Assuming the worst from the start discourages people from taking any action and is an imprudent way to approach political topics.
> I should have clarify, I'm part of a local group, itself part of a network of groups. Which is great! Though my understanding is a big weakness of the ACLU/EFF/etc... crowd is that they typically pigeonhole…
And what sort of regulations did you have in mind that don't primarily punish the users?
The social media you don't want will continue to scale.
Meta is publicly posting ads in Europe promoting age verification, so yes Meta is a part of the problem.
I find that particularly unrealistic that we can arrive at a good place solely by fining companies for data breaches.
As cynical as it sounds given its frequent use in marketing and often inappropriate use in legal circles, securing what data is collected is important too. Raise the bar for a data breach. It has value. Much more value…
Not every lawmaker is the same and there's more than one way to get a lawmaker's attention. Get more people with you. Or convince a group that's previously established trust in your jurisdiction to join you in speaking…
Law alone cannot fix it. Tech alone cannot fix it. If we wish to preserve the values we grew up with, we need both.
Such spaces will never scale if there's widespread legal prohibitions. It is foolish to assume we can innovate our way around the law as opposed to talking with lawmakers to oppose the law before it gets on the books.
> Cool, ignore my point about technology changing the situation. I assume you’ll ignore Jefferson talking about how the constitution should be changed every 19-20 years because the world changed. The Constitution…
Don't mistake cynicism for knowledge.
> it's actually clear that you are the one who isn't familiar with this, I referenced remote attestation which you appear to know little about as it addresses the problem of identifying information (the service has no…
> at the terminus, yes. there is no other way to avoid the homeless problem you listed. by terminus I am referring to where a central authority vouches for unforgability. this does not mean advertisers will have a token…
Wait - so you're advocating for use of a persistent identifier tied to a person? How is that any different than what advertising networks do right now beyond giving them additional guaranteed information of your age…
So....what exactly would platform detection mechanisms be basing their decisions off of that wouldn't defeat the entire privacy-preserving premise of ZKP?
Okay - so you verify age and what else? What combination of details can you validate on that is meaningfully privacy-preserving and couldn't result in wide-spread re-use of tokens? Additionally - what would prevent some…
The first amendment doesn't have a clause that exempts Americans from anonymous speech if it's possible a foreigner could inadvertently take advantage of the freedom too. You may as well advocate for no one to be…
It's about as meaningful a framing as asking if you favor world peace and ending world hunger.
Zero Knowledge Proofs are worthless for this. Either they validate so little information that a single homeless person can authenticate the entire country or they validate so much information as to not have a…
OAuth 2.0 is a hate crime against security given its complexity.
Coalitions help. Getting local government agencies on your side to promote local government policy helps. Same concept applies to federal.
Why not look at almost every single interest group that has managed to influence local politics? Ever pay attention to all those groups (private sector or otherwise) that end up influencing policy creation? Ever think…
Cynicism isn't knowledge. Cynicism isn't an assessment. Cynicism is an assumption. Cynicism is emotional armor because the thought of caring again and the risk of it not panning out is more painful than not caring at…
It represents an increase in cost to use the service. Most such services have a wealth of competitors for your time and attention. "Need" is an extremely strong word that is not appropriate for many Internet services…
That remains to be seen. Assuming the worst from the start discourages people from taking any action and is an imprudent way to approach political topics.