> I'm getting close to believing that starting any online service in the United States is unethical, because of what it will do to its users. Let me know what country you can start an online service in that doesn't also…
It might be waived in the event of an imminent action. Sort it out after the threat of the action is over.
Are you also similarly upset about the activities of the BND, MAD, BfV and the LfVs that operate out of your own country?
> That said, "US selectors" shouldn't return the results that they do in the first place. Determining if a "selector" is tied to a U.S. person is actually a very subtle and very hard problem. Let's take a phone number…
Did the possibility ever cross your mind that the fake accounts and users are simply an attempt by a very small fringe group to bulk up their numbers and look like a more legitimate political concern?
Outside of magical unicorns, what kind of unicorn should guard things? I'm afraid automated systems don't offer either the coverage or the flexibility to provide what you think should be provided.
> Yes, but you don't copy all communications to try and find the astonishingly small number from the most closed-off country in the world. What would your collection proposal be then? You can't determine data of…
> He just bought it retail. There was a great interview of Kim Jong-Il's sushi chef awhile back, the way he gets ingredients is the chef makes trips abroad to foreign markets and buys whatever he needs from wherever,…
pera: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6911100 > Really? why should anyone trust in anything coming from the NSA when you are systematically lying again and again? why should we listen to anything you say when…
md224: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6911261 > Anyone who defends the NSA on the grounds that it only targets those who are worthy of targeting needs to convince me that another COINTELPRO will never happen. I…
I can confirm much of this article. (A couple years ago I provided some comments here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3296691) There's lots of condemnation of the poster, and the NSA practices and some of the…
You actually can't handle classified data, or derive something from classified data, that doesn't automatically classify the derived work (a report, or some such) at at least the same level. To not do that risks…
I'm assuming you aren't actually asking me to prove a negative. If a reading of NISPOM doesn't clarify it for you, then there's really nothing more I can say that will persuade you from your conspiracy theory.…
Why not? Provide your own numbers as an estimate. You can get a clearance at 18, and people live into their 70s and 80s pretty regularly. The 4.2 million with a clearance are not the same ones that had a clearance 10,…
Yes, close personal contacts with people from unfriendly countries can be a problem. However, I do know people with clearances who are from several countries the U.S. is not particularly friendly with. Quite often it…
Right, often they are simply used to indicate when a line of questioning is stressing out the subject and to continue on that line.
And the corollary, just because people have access to sensitive information means they know all of the sensitive information. "Well I have a clearance and can tell you this is how it is" is probably the mark of somebody…
Right, my out-of-the-ass estimate is probably very conservative. It's probably an even lower ratio in reality, 1:10, 1:15 maybe?
Right. As to specific compartments and SAPs, I wouldn't have any idea what the number is (by design). I've worked on SAP programs that had 3 people on them. Some of the larger compartments probably have hundreds of…
I'm actually surprised by this. I work with a ton of people with foreign born wives (many not even green carded yet) -- soldiers tend to marry where they are first stationed. Also, I work with plenty of people with…
All fair questions (I don't know why the down votes for you)! "You said that there is no level strictly above Top Secret (just comparmentalizations within that). Is there any actual evidence for that? (I mean,…
Well...it can be conflicting. At the Secret level, you tend to have access to much wider ranging information than in a SAP. A person working Intelligence in Japan for example, might also have access to information about…
Most of the work environments are pretty boring big-corp style stuff, except there's more locks on the doors and often you don't get any windows because people are stupid and open the blinds letting the world see what…
Yeah, that model is more or less what's in use. Except the real-world version is a bit more complicated and messier (and more confusing). But the principle is all the same. Read goes down, write goes up. You can move…
> I'm getting close to believing that starting any online service in the United States is unethical, because of what it will do to its users. Let me know what country you can start an online service in that doesn't also…
It might be waived in the event of an imminent action. Sort it out after the threat of the action is over.
Are you also similarly upset about the activities of the BND, MAD, BfV and the LfVs that operate out of your own country?
> That said, "US selectors" shouldn't return the results that they do in the first place. Determining if a "selector" is tied to a U.S. person is actually a very subtle and very hard problem. Let's take a phone number…
Did the possibility ever cross your mind that the fake accounts and users are simply an attempt by a very small fringe group to bulk up their numbers and look like a more legitimate political concern?
Outside of magical unicorns, what kind of unicorn should guard things? I'm afraid automated systems don't offer either the coverage or the flexibility to provide what you think should be provided.
> Yes, but you don't copy all communications to try and find the astonishingly small number from the most closed-off country in the world. What would your collection proposal be then? You can't determine data of…
> He just bought it retail. There was a great interview of Kim Jong-Il's sushi chef awhile back, the way he gets ingredients is the chef makes trips abroad to foreign markets and buys whatever he needs from wherever,…
pera: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6911100 > Really? why should anyone trust in anything coming from the NSA when you are systematically lying again and again? why should we listen to anything you say when…
md224: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6911261 > Anyone who defends the NSA on the grounds that it only targets those who are worthy of targeting needs to convince me that another COINTELPRO will never happen. I…
I can confirm much of this article. (A couple years ago I provided some comments here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3296691) There's lots of condemnation of the poster, and the NSA practices and some of the…
You actually can't handle classified data, or derive something from classified data, that doesn't automatically classify the derived work (a report, or some such) at at least the same level. To not do that risks…
I'm assuming you aren't actually asking me to prove a negative. If a reading of NISPOM doesn't clarify it for you, then there's really nothing more I can say that will persuade you from your conspiracy theory.…
Why not? Provide your own numbers as an estimate. You can get a clearance at 18, and people live into their 70s and 80s pretty regularly. The 4.2 million with a clearance are not the same ones that had a clearance 10,…
You actually can't handle classified data, or derive something from classified data, that doesn't automatically classify the derived work (a report, or some such) at at least the same level. To not do that risks…
Yes, close personal contacts with people from unfriendly countries can be a problem. However, I do know people with clearances who are from several countries the U.S. is not particularly friendly with. Quite often it…
Right, often they are simply used to indicate when a line of questioning is stressing out the subject and to continue on that line.
And the corollary, just because people have access to sensitive information means they know all of the sensitive information. "Well I have a clearance and can tell you this is how it is" is probably the mark of somebody…
Right, my out-of-the-ass estimate is probably very conservative. It's probably an even lower ratio in reality, 1:10, 1:15 maybe?
Right. As to specific compartments and SAPs, I wouldn't have any idea what the number is (by design). I've worked on SAP programs that had 3 people on them. Some of the larger compartments probably have hundreds of…
I'm actually surprised by this. I work with a ton of people with foreign born wives (many not even green carded yet) -- soldiers tend to marry where they are first stationed. Also, I work with plenty of people with…
All fair questions (I don't know why the down votes for you)! "You said that there is no level strictly above Top Secret (just comparmentalizations within that). Is there any actual evidence for that? (I mean,…
Well...it can be conflicting. At the Secret level, you tend to have access to much wider ranging information than in a SAP. A person working Intelligence in Japan for example, might also have access to information about…
Most of the work environments are pretty boring big-corp style stuff, except there's more locks on the doors and often you don't get any windows because people are stupid and open the blinds letting the world see what…
Yeah, that model is more or less what's in use. Except the real-world version is a bit more complicated and messier (and more confusing). But the principle is all the same. Read goes down, write goes up. You can move…