(2^sqrt(n))^2 = 2^sqrt(n) * 2^sqrt(n) = 2^(sqrt(n) + sqrt(n)) = 2^(2 sqrt(n)) but 2^(sqrt(n)^2) = 2^n
That's why I prefer my Wisephone 2. You can still use slack, whatsapp, teams, banking apps, spotify, google maps, etc. But there is no browser, email, youtube, tiktok, etc., either.
What we care about and what the exorbitant privilege is referring to can be different things.
Exactly. This is what the letter should have focused on. The issue is not alignment, per se. If AI can do the workmanlike stuff at breakneck speeds, academia will decide between two options: 1) Keep the average…
Wouldn't the more relevant point of comparison be the difference between long-term government bonds. The exorbitant privilege is that it's easier to fund US government debt because trade in USD means that large…
I agree. But my frustration is that there is no argument why AI should be aligned with mathematics. Why can't the mathematicians that value their own community remain aloof from what AI companies are doing. Can't they…
Fair enough. But I think you may be conflating an explanation with an excuse. I think your root cause analysis may be fruitful for explaining why they wrote the letter. But I don't think that it excuses what they…
You and I aren't having the same conversation. You want to psychologize people's motivations, including my own, which is interesting to speculate about but off topic. I want to discuss the arguments made in the letter,…
Yes. Everything I've said and want to say is about this letter. Let me try to summarize this discussion in a way that an overly obsequious AI would never dare: - I argue that the arguments in the letter are bad. - You…
I think that's just oblivious to what mathematicians actually care about when it comes to "name and fame." Basically no one outside of the mathematics community and its periphery knows who someone like Terrence Tao is,…
That far from charitable. My arguement is: A) According to the letter, mathematicians most value: - mathematicians developing their mastery - developing mathematics that provides insights and can be eventually…
I don't understand why you can't just articulate the point yourself. It took me a while to guess what you were getting at. Could it be the quote: Our egos are powerful things. They want to believe that we’re each better…
I might want to. Would you explain its relevance here and make a pitch for me doing so.
Here's the thing. I read the letter. I'm considering it on its merits. And it has very little. They made great arguments for why it's a good thing that the mathematical community operates the way they do. They could…
Shouldn't the AI companies know by now that all mathematical knowledge belongs to the mathematical community? Hopefully this letter knocks some sense into them.
I think the later is misguided. So what if the AI labs are misaligned to math? - But they announced a result before a paper was peer reviewed! The horror! So what? The mathematics community can read the paper once it is…
That's a completely different matter. And does it matter to my point if they were successful or not? That's ex-post analysis. It seems clear that ex-ante, they wanted this to be a marketing win. The original poster…
The opposite of malicious is not honest. Nor do I see how motivations fall on a binary. The user submitting an AI proof can be honest, or malicious, or careless, or overzealous, or incompetent, or a whole bunch of other…
What I'm not seeing reported on much is if the result reveals any new techniques or ideas that advance mathematics - which is what we usually hear is the reason to work on these problems. Or does the resolution of NS…
Boo hoo. OpenAI got the result only days ago. It makes perfect sense for them to take the win in marketing, and it's fine if they take a few months putting together the paper and present it more productively later. The…
In the hypothetical, when he becomes famous, someone making prints for $20 is $1,980 less than what he would be getting now so the damage is $1,980 per print. Both the purchasers of the print and the photographer are…
I won financially. Encyclopedia sets were expensive.
Try "I am not old enough to have seen"
Am I wrong to think that because equal and opposite forces are always present, names have to be given to phenomena that are not present in the formal math itself?
I agree with the example of human agents because we can acknowledge concepts like will, choice, agency, etc. But none of those ideas are present in Newton's laws of motions.
(2^sqrt(n))^2 = 2^sqrt(n) * 2^sqrt(n) = 2^(sqrt(n) + sqrt(n)) = 2^(2 sqrt(n)) but 2^(sqrt(n)^2) = 2^n
That's why I prefer my Wisephone 2. You can still use slack, whatsapp, teams, banking apps, spotify, google maps, etc. But there is no browser, email, youtube, tiktok, etc., either.
What we care about and what the exorbitant privilege is referring to can be different things.
Exactly. This is what the letter should have focused on. The issue is not alignment, per se. If AI can do the workmanlike stuff at breakneck speeds, academia will decide between two options: 1) Keep the average…
Wouldn't the more relevant point of comparison be the difference between long-term government bonds. The exorbitant privilege is that it's easier to fund US government debt because trade in USD means that large…
I agree. But my frustration is that there is no argument why AI should be aligned with mathematics. Why can't the mathematicians that value their own community remain aloof from what AI companies are doing. Can't they…
Fair enough. But I think you may be conflating an explanation with an excuse. I think your root cause analysis may be fruitful for explaining why they wrote the letter. But I don't think that it excuses what they…
You and I aren't having the same conversation. You want to psychologize people's motivations, including my own, which is interesting to speculate about but off topic. I want to discuss the arguments made in the letter,…
Yes. Everything I've said and want to say is about this letter. Let me try to summarize this discussion in a way that an overly obsequious AI would never dare: - I argue that the arguments in the letter are bad. - You…
I think that's just oblivious to what mathematicians actually care about when it comes to "name and fame." Basically no one outside of the mathematics community and its periphery knows who someone like Terrence Tao is,…
That far from charitable. My arguement is: A) According to the letter, mathematicians most value: - mathematicians developing their mastery - developing mathematics that provides insights and can be eventually…
I don't understand why you can't just articulate the point yourself. It took me a while to guess what you were getting at. Could it be the quote: Our egos are powerful things. They want to believe that we’re each better…
I might want to. Would you explain its relevance here and make a pitch for me doing so.
Here's the thing. I read the letter. I'm considering it on its merits. And it has very little. They made great arguments for why it's a good thing that the mathematical community operates the way they do. They could…
Shouldn't the AI companies know by now that all mathematical knowledge belongs to the mathematical community? Hopefully this letter knocks some sense into them.
I think the later is misguided. So what if the AI labs are misaligned to math? - But they announced a result before a paper was peer reviewed! The horror! So what? The mathematics community can read the paper once it is…
That's a completely different matter. And does it matter to my point if they were successful or not? That's ex-post analysis. It seems clear that ex-ante, they wanted this to be a marketing win. The original poster…
The opposite of malicious is not honest. Nor do I see how motivations fall on a binary. The user submitting an AI proof can be honest, or malicious, or careless, or overzealous, or incompetent, or a whole bunch of other…
What I'm not seeing reported on much is if the result reveals any new techniques or ideas that advance mathematics - which is what we usually hear is the reason to work on these problems. Or does the resolution of NS…
Boo hoo. OpenAI got the result only days ago. It makes perfect sense for them to take the win in marketing, and it's fine if they take a few months putting together the paper and present it more productively later. The…
In the hypothetical, when he becomes famous, someone making prints for $20 is $1,980 less than what he would be getting now so the damage is $1,980 per print. Both the purchasers of the print and the photographer are…
I won financially. Encyclopedia sets were expensive.
Try "I am not old enough to have seen"
Am I wrong to think that because equal and opposite forces are always present, names have to be given to phenomena that are not present in the formal math itself?
I agree with the example of human agents because we can acknowledge concepts like will, choice, agency, etc. But none of those ideas are present in Newton's laws of motions.