It wasn't really a problem for the Nazis though. Hannah Arendt explained how in a way defying reality is a badge of honor for members (of one of the onion layers of) totalitarian movements.
This is 100% off-topic and just about WP, but something just occured to me: I wish Wikipedia had a way to make new articles as stubs and mark them as such, so they don't show up on the main page, unless people are…
Being a snob, I'm already bored by the incoming generation of bland, obedient.. hobbits. Eugenics to life to me is like pitch correction to singing, it's missing the point entirely. edit: am I not allowed to my opinion?…
I'm not new to HN, I just ditch accounts when they approach 500 karma because I'm edgy like that.
Your link does not support the claim that that is how Hitler got into power at all. Read the book. Don't pass "go", don't collect $400, and spare me more pop history. I lead you to water, now drink or don't.
Fair enough. I agree in that I think it's lame it had to happen this way, but I'm still glad it happened this way rather than not at all.
> actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer. Where do you have this from? From a computer game or a movie? From a gumball machine? Read this book.…
> I would also add that the rules should be as specific as possible, since vague terms like "hateful ideology" can be applied to almost anything controversial. I didn't say "Yup, hateful ideology", I said "Yup, Nazis."…
> The problem is not them beeing clearly nazis, its there opponents never stopping with the censor-ship and persecution once they get going. And if it wasn't this excuse to not denazify, it would be another. > your…
> All political ideologues think their opposition wants to take away their freedoms. If you make the rule that people who want to remove freedoms don't get them Analogous would be "if you make the rule that people who…
Just like the right to free speech is useless without a spirit of tolerance in the population, the same goes for inciting violence being illegal. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charlottesv... Why does…
I decided to never even attempt to enter the US somewhere after 2001. Not until a bunch of things change (well, they did change; for the worse). What's the use of flying across the big pond if you can get turned away…
> The current boundary is speech that immediately incites violence Well good luck then. Just like Hitler famously wanted people to not wait for his orders, but distill his wishes and creatively go beyond in doing things…
I'm not saying it, I'm asking it. What more do you need than swastikas and glorification of the holocaust and so on? I love how the bar there seems to be raised so high that even Adolf Hitler might not qualify as Nazi…
Convenient relabeling? I beg your pardon? Aren't you just conveniently making up shit right now?
Nothing about being German in there? Nothing about hating Jews? Or any of the other things that the Nazis espoused just because they were handy, and which had nothing to do with "the ideology" because there isn't one?…
What about them? How were they not fascists, for all practical purposes?
Nah, you wish there was hypocrisy where there's really just you not being up to speed.
> I think the sentiment GP is trying to communicate is that many seem to throw the label out there without any further investigation as to whether its justified. That's great, but totally irrelevant here, in response to…
Tell me what "the ideology" is then.
> I don't call someone a Nazi unless they are literally a Nazi What's a "literal Nazi" to you then? A member of the historical NSDAP? edit: Also, note while you're all talking to each other and patting yourself on the…
For those who downvote me: so you're actually believing I call "anyone I don't like" a Nazi? How fucking pathetic is that? And no I don't care about the votes, I just want you to stop and realize how incredibly dumb…
Who's talking about unreliability? I'm talking about perfectly reliable tools of oppression.
> Did not go well. And you're telling me this, why? > We should be careful to a) not call everything Nazi Oh I see, that's why. Well, you should be careful to c) not confuse me with anyone else.
This isn't mere hate, and I'm not "mandating tolerance" either. I'm mandating you at least read people like Hannah Arendt and Sebastian Haffner instead of you projecting your naivety on me.
It wasn't really a problem for the Nazis though. Hannah Arendt explained how in a way defying reality is a badge of honor for members (of one of the onion layers of) totalitarian movements.
This is 100% off-topic and just about WP, but something just occured to me: I wish Wikipedia had a way to make new articles as stubs and mark them as such, so they don't show up on the main page, unless people are…
Being a snob, I'm already bored by the incoming generation of bland, obedient.. hobbits. Eugenics to life to me is like pitch correction to singing, it's missing the point entirely. edit: am I not allowed to my opinion?…
I'm not new to HN, I just ditch accounts when they approach 500 karma because I'm edgy like that.
Your link does not support the claim that that is how Hitler got into power at all. Read the book. Don't pass "go", don't collect $400, and spare me more pop history. I lead you to water, now drink or don't.
Fair enough. I agree in that I think it's lame it had to happen this way, but I'm still glad it happened this way rather than not at all.
> actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer. Where do you have this from? From a computer game or a movie? From a gumball machine? Read this book.…
> I would also add that the rules should be as specific as possible, since vague terms like "hateful ideology" can be applied to almost anything controversial. I didn't say "Yup, hateful ideology", I said "Yup, Nazis."…
> The problem is not them beeing clearly nazis, its there opponents never stopping with the censor-ship and persecution once they get going. And if it wasn't this excuse to not denazify, it would be another. > your…
> All political ideologues think their opposition wants to take away their freedoms. If you make the rule that people who want to remove freedoms don't get them Analogous would be "if you make the rule that people who…
Just like the right to free speech is useless without a spirit of tolerance in the population, the same goes for inciting violence being illegal. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charlottesv... Why does…
I decided to never even attempt to enter the US somewhere after 2001. Not until a bunch of things change (well, they did change; for the worse). What's the use of flying across the big pond if you can get turned away…
> The current boundary is speech that immediately incites violence Well good luck then. Just like Hitler famously wanted people to not wait for his orders, but distill his wishes and creatively go beyond in doing things…
I'm not saying it, I'm asking it. What more do you need than swastikas and glorification of the holocaust and so on? I love how the bar there seems to be raised so high that even Adolf Hitler might not qualify as Nazi…
Convenient relabeling? I beg your pardon? Aren't you just conveniently making up shit right now?
Nothing about being German in there? Nothing about hating Jews? Or any of the other things that the Nazis espoused just because they were handy, and which had nothing to do with "the ideology" because there isn't one?…
What about them? How were they not fascists, for all practical purposes?
Nah, you wish there was hypocrisy where there's really just you not being up to speed.
> I think the sentiment GP is trying to communicate is that many seem to throw the label out there without any further investigation as to whether its justified. That's great, but totally irrelevant here, in response to…
Tell me what "the ideology" is then.
> I don't call someone a Nazi unless they are literally a Nazi What's a "literal Nazi" to you then? A member of the historical NSDAP? edit: Also, note while you're all talking to each other and patting yourself on the…
For those who downvote me: so you're actually believing I call "anyone I don't like" a Nazi? How fucking pathetic is that? And no I don't care about the votes, I just want you to stop and realize how incredibly dumb…
Who's talking about unreliability? I'm talking about perfectly reliable tools of oppression.
> Did not go well. And you're telling me this, why? > We should be careful to a) not call everything Nazi Oh I see, that's why. Well, you should be careful to c) not confuse me with anyone else.
This isn't mere hate, and I'm not "mandating tolerance" either. I'm mandating you at least read people like Hannah Arendt and Sebastian Haffner instead of you projecting your naivety on me.