> AI lacks insight and lack of insight is what can turn a succulent feast of a life into biweekly deliveries of Soylent. Does a picture of a humming bird lack insight? Does collage art lack insight? Do remixes lack…
No. His critique is one of process, not of output quality. He is asserting the existence of an "unconscious human spirit", asserting that ChatGPT "is fast-tracking the commodification of the human spirit by mechanising…
> A question is, is it possible to advance technology to fulfill the green revolution without changing the value of human creativity due to the creation/advancement of genAI? I have to admit not quite sure what you…
> This technology is a collage tool, and it's great, but it doesn't make anyone a creator. If you believe it does, you're in for a rough awakening. Hannah Höch would like a word.
> we had a much better connection with what it meant to be human when we were tilling dirt and making clay pots and weaving cloth for each other Actually, I agree. I think Nick Cave is right about this. I do think this…
Nick Cave is expressing a personal loss, and I believe that he truly feels that loss. But to me, this letter reads roughly like: "if I were the server or the bouncer instead of the performer or the writer, all of…
I agree on both points. Was just engaging with the legal aspect because that's what this thread was about. But now we've converged to the actual reason the author should probably care:…
...I think you missed the point. OAI/MS can sue the author or at least cut off API access. If that happens, the fact that OAI is under fire from NYT doesn't somehow obviate the author's need to cover some massive legal…
Yes, but opposite conclusion. If I were the author I'd never do this because I would want an exit and this strategy + twitter thread wildly complicates any potential exit. Even though I don't think there is anything…
And NYT is suing OAI/MS. Two wrongs don't make a right... or maybe they do, but that doesn't immunize you from legal fees or a botched exit :)
Or just... write 100 good prompt-repsonse pairs yourself. 2024 will be the year of synthetic data. 2025 will be the year of "you know you can use your own brain and type out 100 datapoints faster and cheaper than…
The academic work is pretty safe as long as it isn't productized. The open models have a prime facie case to stand on. Using output is okay if you aren't directly competing with openai, even according to their tos. >…
This is a flagrantly blatant violation of OpenAI's terms of use for businesses [1]. I have two issues with those terms: 1. I think that eventually US courts will determine one of two things: that OpenAI et al are guilty…
I read this in 2013 and remember enjoying the back-and-forth. Some reflections, a decade of life experience and a tech cycle later: 1. I'm with McKenzie on the coworkers aspect of the dialog. More separation from…
Only a relatively tiny sliver of PhDs doing top-tier ML research are in groups that care about publishing at corps the care about publishing in academic conferences.
> Honestly, is there a big difference anymore? Only a very small subset of industry cares about academic publishing, and even within that subset it's only a fraction of groups at a fraction of corps that consider…
Hence "lower bound".
Or just leave academia. In the US at least, the job is like 80% government contracting and 20% teaching. Teaching is great, so there's that. But literally every company will let your ad junct, and Professor of Practice…
The open secret is that top-quartile R1 CS faculty positions aren't coveted anymore and don't attract the best like they used to. The choice is now between increasingly tenuous/meaningless tenure after 5-10 years and a…
the obvious: the manager is being sloppy. Whether they are correct or not is irrelevant; thinking and writing clearly about these issues is literally this person's entire day job. A sloppy report is the tip of an…
>> Programming requires a lot more formal rigor than mathematical proof writing. > This is is just wrong? Syntax rigour has almost nothing to do with correctness. 1. It's all fine and well to wave your hand at "Syntax…
I think you entirely missed the point. GP put it well: >> They are conceptually/abstractly rigorous, but in "implementation" are incredibly sloppy. Maturity in concept-space and the ability to reason abstractly can be…
Universities do not have a monopoly on education or on learning. You can go teach someone today, no questions asked. You can even charge them for the favor, if you want. Universities DO have a monopoly on credentialing.…
> overpriced would be if it costs $8k but is sold at $12k. Instead the pricing is crippling, and instead of 8k it's 48k The average college tuition and fees at four-year schools in 2020-2021 was $19,020. > and the…
Most comments here are completely missing the point: remote learning during the pandemic era was worse than useless. As a result, the pandemic era created a HUGE bifurcation in the student population between autodidacts…
> AI lacks insight and lack of insight is what can turn a succulent feast of a life into biweekly deliveries of Soylent. Does a picture of a humming bird lack insight? Does collage art lack insight? Do remixes lack…
No. His critique is one of process, not of output quality. He is asserting the existence of an "unconscious human spirit", asserting that ChatGPT "is fast-tracking the commodification of the human spirit by mechanising…
> A question is, is it possible to advance technology to fulfill the green revolution without changing the value of human creativity due to the creation/advancement of genAI? I have to admit not quite sure what you…
> This technology is a collage tool, and it's great, but it doesn't make anyone a creator. If you believe it does, you're in for a rough awakening. Hannah Höch would like a word.
> we had a much better connection with what it meant to be human when we were tilling dirt and making clay pots and weaving cloth for each other Actually, I agree. I think Nick Cave is right about this. I do think this…
Nick Cave is expressing a personal loss, and I believe that he truly feels that loss. But to me, this letter reads roughly like: "if I were the server or the bouncer instead of the performer or the writer, all of…
I agree on both points. Was just engaging with the legal aspect because that's what this thread was about. But now we've converged to the actual reason the author should probably care:…
...I think you missed the point. OAI/MS can sue the author or at least cut off API access. If that happens, the fact that OAI is under fire from NYT doesn't somehow obviate the author's need to cover some massive legal…
Yes, but opposite conclusion. If I were the author I'd never do this because I would want an exit and this strategy + twitter thread wildly complicates any potential exit. Even though I don't think there is anything…
And NYT is suing OAI/MS. Two wrongs don't make a right... or maybe they do, but that doesn't immunize you from legal fees or a botched exit :)
Or just... write 100 good prompt-repsonse pairs yourself. 2024 will be the year of synthetic data. 2025 will be the year of "you know you can use your own brain and type out 100 datapoints faster and cheaper than…
The academic work is pretty safe as long as it isn't productized. The open models have a prime facie case to stand on. Using output is okay if you aren't directly competing with openai, even according to their tos. >…
This is a flagrantly blatant violation of OpenAI's terms of use for businesses [1]. I have two issues with those terms: 1. I think that eventually US courts will determine one of two things: that OpenAI et al are guilty…
I read this in 2013 and remember enjoying the back-and-forth. Some reflections, a decade of life experience and a tech cycle later: 1. I'm with McKenzie on the coworkers aspect of the dialog. More separation from…
Only a relatively tiny sliver of PhDs doing top-tier ML research are in groups that care about publishing at corps the care about publishing in academic conferences.
> Honestly, is there a big difference anymore? Only a very small subset of industry cares about academic publishing, and even within that subset it's only a fraction of groups at a fraction of corps that consider…
Hence "lower bound".
Or just leave academia. In the US at least, the job is like 80% government contracting and 20% teaching. Teaching is great, so there's that. But literally every company will let your ad junct, and Professor of Practice…
The open secret is that top-quartile R1 CS faculty positions aren't coveted anymore and don't attract the best like they used to. The choice is now between increasingly tenuous/meaningless tenure after 5-10 years and a…
the obvious: the manager is being sloppy. Whether they are correct or not is irrelevant; thinking and writing clearly about these issues is literally this person's entire day job. A sloppy report is the tip of an…
>> Programming requires a lot more formal rigor than mathematical proof writing. > This is is just wrong? Syntax rigour has almost nothing to do with correctness. 1. It's all fine and well to wave your hand at "Syntax…
I think you entirely missed the point. GP put it well: >> They are conceptually/abstractly rigorous, but in "implementation" are incredibly sloppy. Maturity in concept-space and the ability to reason abstractly can be…
Universities do not have a monopoly on education or on learning. You can go teach someone today, no questions asked. You can even charge them for the favor, if you want. Universities DO have a monopoly on credentialing.…
> overpriced would be if it costs $8k but is sold at $12k. Instead the pricing is crippling, and instead of 8k it's 48k The average college tuition and fees at four-year schools in 2020-2021 was $19,020. > and the…
Most comments here are completely missing the point: remote learning during the pandemic era was worse than useless. As a result, the pandemic era created a HUGE bifurcation in the student population between autodidacts…